124473 - No dictionary included in Language packs - What to do with this Issue?

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124473 - No dictionary included in Language packs - What to do with this Issue?

Peter Kovacs-3
Hello all,

I have seen Matthias in a discussion that moved around the idea to
combine dictionaries and language packs.

In the subject named issue, Matthias subscribed to, Andrea states that
this has been discussed with no result.

So we have a confirmed Issue that has no agreed solution.


@ Andrea, is it possible to repost a link to the discussion back then?
It points no where.

 http://markmail.org/message/4wefuo43fvnzwirm


Any Ideas how we can come to an conclusion? can we maybe collect pros and contra first?


All the Best
Peter



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Re: 124473 - No dictionary included in Language packs - What to do with this Issue?

Andrea Pescetti-2
On 27/08/2019 Peter Kovacs wrote:
> I have seen Matthias in a discussion that moved around the idea to
> combine dictionaries and language packs.

Just to make everybody's life simpler and avoid that everybody has to go
the Bugzilla and explicitly search for it, I'll include the direct link

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124473

> In the subject named issue, Matthias subscribed to, Andrea states that
> this has been discussed with no result.
> So we have a confirmed Issue that has no agreed solution. ...
> It points no where. http://markmail.org/message/4wefuo43fvnzwirm

Markmail is an external and unreliable source. But the text in my
comment was:

"This has been discussed on the dev list some months ago, but with no
conclusive answer. Anyway, I confirm that at the moment we don't include
dictionaries in Language packs, only in full builds."

And this doesn't mean that people were on opposite sides, just that this
wasn't perceived as a priority and that, if I recall correctly, this,
like many other issues, was left open since nobody had time/resources to
fix it.

Two notes to consider:

1. Bundled dictionaries are included with a specific legal exception.
This would probably extend to language packs, but I'm not looking into it.

2. Including dictionaries in language packs would create the issue of
what to do in some cases. For example, the Italian build contains the
English dictionary. I may install OpenOffice in Italian and then a few
months later a new English dictionary is available and I update the
dictionary. Then I decide to install the English language pack that
still has the old dictionary.

In short, it is not absolutely clear that including dictionaries would
be an advantage for everyone.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: 124473 - No dictionary included in Language packs - What to do with this Issue?

Marcus (OOo)
Am 28.08.19 um 08:52 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

> On 27/08/2019 Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> I have seen Matthias in a discussion that moved around the idea to
>> combine dictionaries and language packs.
>
> Just to make everybody's life simpler and avoid that everybody has to go
> the Bugzilla and explicitly search for it, I'll include the direct link
>
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124473
>
>> In the subject named issue, Matthias subscribed to, Andrea states that
>> this has been discussed with no result.
>> So we have a confirmed Issue that has no agreed solution. ...
>> It points no where. http://markmail.org/message/4wefuo43fvnzwirm
>
> Markmail is an external and unreliable source. But the text in my
> comment was:
>
> "This has been discussed on the dev list some months ago, but with no
> conclusive answer. Anyway, I confirm that at the moment we don't include
> dictionaries in Language packs, only in full builds."
>
> And this doesn't mean that people were on opposite sides, just that this
> wasn't perceived as a priority and that, if I recall correctly, this,
> like many other issues, was left open since nobody had time/resources to
> fix it.
>
> Two notes to consider:
>
> 1. Bundled dictionaries are included with a specific legal exception.
> This would probably extend to language packs, but I'm not looking into it.
>
> 2. Including dictionaries in language packs would create the issue of
> what to do in some cases. For example, the Italian build contains the
> English dictionary. I may install OpenOffice in Italian and then a few
> months later a new English dictionary is available and I update the
> dictionary. Then I decide to install the English language pack that
> still has the old dictionary.
>
> In short, it is not absolutely clear that including dictionaries would
> be an advantage for everyone.

I also see the disadvantages, so I would say let's not include the dics.

Marcus


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Re: 124473 - No dictionary included in Language packs - What to do with this Issue?

Pedro Lino-3
Hi all

> Am 28.08.19 um 08:52 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> > 2. Including dictionaries in language packs would create the issue of
> > what to do in some cases. For example, the Italian build contains the
> > English dictionary. I may install OpenOffice in Italian and then a few
> > months later a new English dictionary is available and I update the
> > dictionary. Then I decide to install the English language pack that
> > still has the old dictionary.

This is really not a valid argument. Even for the very few users that would install a language pack months after installing the full suite, this "problem" would be solved on the following day when Extension Manager checks for new versions of the dictionary.

> > In short, it is not absolutely clear that including dictionaries would
> > be an advantage for everyone.

Including dictionaries is always an advantage for users. Outdated dictionaries are updated and an Office suite without dictionaries is not useful except for users that don't mind having spelling mistakes (spell checking is included by default even in browsers)

> On August 30, 2019 at 8:46 PM Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I also see the disadvantages, so I would say let's not include the dics.

I believe having a full language *pack* makes absolute sense. A Full language pack from Microsoft (paid, of course) includes the UI language, the Help files and the dictionaries. In what situation would it be obvious that after installing another language you would still need to search and download the dictionary needed to edit documents in the new UI language?

That being said, since I can not fix this myself (I'm not a developer) I have to convince you (developers) that this makes more sense for the average user and for most users.

Best regards,
Pedro

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