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Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Pedro Lino
Hi all

After installing 4.1.3 RC1 under Windows I found some problems but Bugzilla
does not include Version 4.1.3
Can someone please add it in?

Thanks
Pedro
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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Ariel Constenla-Haile-2
Hi Pedro,


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:23:10AM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:
> Hi all
>
> After installing 4.1.3 RC1 under Windows I found some problems but Bugzilla
> does not include Version 4.1.3
> Can someone please add it in?

There are now:

*  4.1.3-dev for AOO413 branch, what can be downloaded from
    https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/
*  4.2.0-dev for trunk, what can be downloaded from
    https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ and has 4.2.0 on the
    package name

If you don't find 4.1.3-dev, please specify the component (there are
several, even obsolete components, so I may have missed some).


Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Pedro Lino
Thank you!

Bugs submitted.

Another question/request: since (for some unexplained reason) AOO refuses
to allow FTP servers/listings/downloads, would it be possible for the
download HTML page to show file sizes and dates? It makes it easier to find
the right file and to make sure it is a new build.

Thanks!

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Pedro,
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:23:10AM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > After installing 4.1.3 RC1 under Windows I found some problems but
> Bugzilla
> > does not include Version 4.1.3
> > Can someone please add it in?
>
> There are now:
>
> *  4.1.3-dev for AOO413 branch, what can be downloaded from
>     https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/
> *  4.2.0-dev for trunk, what can be downloaded from
>     https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ and has 4.2.0 on the
>     package name
>
> If you don't find 4.1.3-dev, please specify the component (there are
> several, even obsolete components, so I may have missed some).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>
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RE: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Dennis E. Hamilton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 09:21
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1
>
> Thank you!
>
> Bugs submitted.
>
> Another question/request: since (for some unexplained reason) AOO
> refuses
> to allow FTP servers/listings/downloads, would it be possible for the
> download HTML page to show file sizes and dates? It makes it easier to
> find
> the right file and to make sure it is a new build.
[orcmid]

If I understand you, "those pages" are served up via the ASF SVN server, so the project can't do anything about that directly.

>
> Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pedro,
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:23:10AM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > After installing 4.1.3 RC1 under Windows I found some problems but
> > Bugzilla
> > > does not include Version 4.1.3
> > > Can someone please add it in?
> >
> > There are now:
> >
> > *  4.1.3-dev for AOO413 branch, what can be downloaded from
> >     https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/
> > *  4.2.0-dev for trunk, what can be downloaded from
> >     https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ and has 4.2.0 on the
> >     package name
> >
> > If you don't find 4.1.3-dev, please specify the component (there are
> > several, even obsolete components, so I may have missed some).
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
> > La Plata, Argentina
> >


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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Ariel Constenla-Haile-2
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Hi Pedro,

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 05:21:18PM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:
> Thank you!
>
> Bugs submitted.
>
> Another question/request: since (for some unexplained reason) AOO refuses
> to allow FTP servers/listings/downloads, would it be possible for the
> download HTML page to show file sizes and dates? It makes it easier to find
> the right file and to make sure it is a new build.

As explained by Dennis, https://dist.apache.org/repos/ is a subversion
repository, the repository that has the source code and the website uses
ViewVC, it has a column with revision and age,  see
https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ but AFAIK dist does not have
one.

I am "uploading" = commiting to the svn repo each package individually,
that means that every package has a commit and triggers a commit message
delivered to
http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#commits-mailing-list You
can subscribe to the list or read one of the web archives.

If new Windows install sets are built for
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127140 this won't be a new
release candidate, because there will be no new source code commit, and
it affects only Windows; so I guess that the current packages will be
replaced by the new ones using subversion (also new signatures and
hashes will mismatch).


Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile

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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Pedro Lino
Hi Ariel

If new Windows install sets are built for
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127140 this won't be a new
> release candidate, because there will be no new source code commit, and
> it affects only Windows; so I guess that the current packages will be
> replaced by the new ones using subversion (also new signatures and
> hashes will mismatch).
>

​Yes the RC will be the same, but the file creation date and file size will
be different. On a FTP server it would be easy to see the new date and only
download when there is a new file.
Example:
http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/apache/openoffice/4.1.2/binaries/en-US/

I really don't understand why there can't be an FTP server for the RC
releases.
 I guess it's one of those Dev only things...
Thank you for trying to provide an alternative!

Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Ariel Constenla-Haile-2
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:07:27AM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:

> Hi Ariel
>
> If new Windows install sets are built for
> > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127140 this won't be a new
> > release candidate, because there will be no new source code commit, and
> > it affects only Windows; so I guess that the current packages will be
> > replaced by the new ones using subversion (also new signatures and
> > hashes will mismatch).
> >
>
> ​Yes the RC will be the same, but the file creation date and file size will
> be different. On a FTP server it would be easy to see the new date and only
> download when there is a new file.
> Example:
> http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/apache/openoffice/4.1.2/binaries/en-US/
>
> I really don't understand why there can't be an FTP server for the RC
> releases.
>  I guess it's one of those Dev only things...
I asked what to do on dev@ and an ASF infra team member answered, so
I guess this is how things work at the ASF ;)

For the record, there was a time when we uploaded the binaries to
people.apache.org (now home.apache.org); this was much faster to upload,
and was served by an http server from the users public_html directory
(if directory listing was enabled, you could see date and size, like in
http://home.apache.org/~arielch/ ).


Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile

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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Andrea Pescetti-2
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Pedro Lino wrote:
> ​Yes the RC will be the same, but the file creation date and file size will
> be different. On a FTP server it would be easy to see the new date and only
> download when there is a new file.

If you have access to command-line tools,

$ svn ls -v
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/it

(example for Italian builds) will give you everything you need, such as:

   15760 arielch     155643543 set 27 16:57
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.3_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_it.tar.gz

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Pedro Lino
Hi Andrea

Thank you for the suggestion. I do not have any dev tools.
I found an "easier" way: download the MD5 file and check if it matches the
installer I already have.

I still don't understand why the Revision number on this page (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/) keeps changing if the
files inside it are the same (at least the en_US and pt are the same since
Sep 26th)

In any case this is all very user un-friendly. I know Apache is not used to
having non-technical software like an office suite, but this is really
unmotivating even for users who have some computer knowledge...

Just my 2 cents.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Andrea Pescetti <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Pedro Lino wrote:
>
>> ​Yes the RC will be the same, but the file creation date and file size
>> will
>> be different. On a FTP server it would be easy to see the new date and
>> only
>> download when there is a new file.
>>
>
> If you have access to command-line tools,
>
> $ svn ls -v https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/bina
> ries/it
>
> (example for Italian builds) will give you everything you need, such as:
>
>   15760 arielch     155643543 set 27 16:57 Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.3_Linux_
> x86-64_install-deb_it.tar.gz
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Bugzilla 4.1.3 RC1

Ariel Constenla-Haile-2
Hi Pedro,

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:17:47PM +0100, Pedro Lino wrote:

> Hi Andrea
>
> Thank you for the suggestion. I do not have any dev tools.
> I found an "easier" way: download the MD5 file and check if it matches the
> installer I already have.
>
> I still don't understand why the Revision number on this page (
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/) keeps changing if the
> files inside it are the same (at least the en_US and pt are the same since
> Sep 26th)
The revision is tracked for the whole repository, not at a folder level,
so every commit from every project increases the revision number by one,
see http://markmail.org/search/list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-commits
where the subject indicates the revision number in the form svn commit:
r<revision number>.


> In any case this is all very user un-friendly. I know Apache is not used to
> having non-technical software like an office suite, but this is really
> unmotivating even for users who have some computer knowledge...

That's why I suggested you to subscribe to the mailing list, add
a filter in gmail for the package you are interested in; when done,
unsubscribe from the list.

Uploading the packages is taking too long, I will tell you in the bug
report for the VC redist when I start uploading them, I'm still
uploading Linux 32 bit packages. You can also tell me what package you
want, and I can put it first on the list.

There are lots of things to improve, some are beyond our control; for
example, next time we can do a survey among QA volunteers to get a list
of platforms that are actually going to be tested, so that we upload
those packages first (right now I'm uploading 13 GB of Linux 32 packages
that I guess nobody is going to QA).

The use of subversion, and the upload speed, is beyond our control...


Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile

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