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Patricia Shanahan
I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am
building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and keeping
detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.

1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements 
and what from
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit

The "general" had a lot of conditionals.

I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from the
step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything that
really is common.

2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.

3. Command "lynx -source
rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed
because I had not been told to install lynx.

Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required packages,
and their dependencies, have already been installed through the Cygwin
setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It is
really necessary to provide an alternative?

4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets an
error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."

At this point, I am officially stuck.

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Re: Build instructions

Matthias Seidel

Hi Patricia,

Am 15.02.20 um 20:36 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and keeping detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.

1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements and what from https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit

The "general" had a lot of conditionals.

I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from the step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything that really is common.
+1

2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.
"(or any other temporary directory of your choice)"

3. Command "lynx -source rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed because I had not been told to install lynx.

I have never understood or used these instructions regarding lynx.


Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required packages, and their dependencies, have already been installed through the Cygwin setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It is really necessary to provide an alternative?

4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets an error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."

At this point, I am officially stuck.

As anyone else is, Microsoft has pulled that download long ago.

(As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox link where you can download it from)

Regards,

   Matthias

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Re: Build instructions

Patricia Shanahan
Hi Matthias,

We consistently lose programming volunteers when we ask them to attempt
a build. That makes getting instructions that work, especially for
Windows, the commonest platform, absolutely essential.

On 2/15/2020 1:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi Patricia,
>
> Am 15.02.20 um 20:36 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>> I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am
>> building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and keeping
>> detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.
>>
>> 1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements 
>> and what from
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit
>>
>> The "general" had a lot of conditionals.
>>
>> I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from
>> the step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything
>> that really is common.
> +1

This one I am not going to attempt myself because changes could affect
other platforms that I am not using.

>>
>> 2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.
> /"(or any other temporary directory of your choice)"/

The fix is to change it to "/usr/tmp (or other temporary directory of
your choice)", though I am not sure why one would need an alternative to
/usr/tmp.

>>
>> 3. Command "lynx -source
>> rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed
>> because I had not been told to install lynx.
>
> I have never understood or used these instructions regarding lynx.

Let's get rid of them. The closer we can get to one set of instructions
that work the better. Cygwin's setup automatically installs
dependencies, and is the normal way of installing Cygwin packages. One
would need to use it to get lynx anyway.

>
>>
>> Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required packages,
>> and their dependencies, have already been installed through the Cygwin
>> setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It
>> is really necessary to provide an alternative?
>>
>> 4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets
>> an error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."
>>
>> At this point, I am officially stuck.
>
> As anyone else is, Microsoft has pulled that download long ago.
>
> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox link
> where you can download it from)

Yes, but I am modeling a new recruit trying to build AOO for the first
time, using the latest instructions, on a machine that has not
previously been used to build it. I really am using a computer I got
after the last time I built AOO, and I am being very careful to follow
the instructions as written, ignoring prior experience. My objective is
as much to test the build instructions and get them fixed as to do the
build.

Do we understand why AOO building still requires an obsolete MSVC? Any
way to fix it? This seems to me to be a particularly urgent build problem.

Perhaps the best we can do here for now is to say "If you get to this
point and do not already have Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 and
.NET Framework 3.5. SP1, send mail to [hidden email] to get
your secret decoder ring."

Thanks,

Patricia

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Re[2]: Build instructions

Pedro Albuquerque-2
Hi,

Sorry for a small change of topic, but speaking of new builds, I believe it
would be great if the 'building instructions' for SDF files were also made
available in a simple way to follow. Maybe included with the rest of the
process.

Like Pedro Lino said, we (me and him) are trying to test the updated
translations and it would be of great help if we knew how to create the SDFs.

Mechtilde, that page link you sent some time ago is exactly where I found the
gsicheck broken link, so it doesn't help much.

Patricia, I have a machine in those circumstances and, so far, the only thing
I did was the default cygwin installation. I'm very interested in following
your 'manual', should it be available.

Regards,
Pedro Albuquerque


Em 15/02/2020 às 22:29, Patricia Shanahan <[hidden email]> escreveu:

>Hi Matthias,
>
>We consistently lose programming volunteers when we ask them to attempt
>a build. That makes getting instructions that work, especially for
>Windows, the commonest platform, absolutely essential.
>
>On 2/15/2020 1:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Patricia,
>>
>> Am 15.02.20 um 20:36 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>> I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am
>>> building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and keeping
>>> detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.
>>>
>>> 1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from
>>>
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements
>>> and what from
>>>
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit

>>>
>>> The "general" had a lot of conditionals.
>>>
>>> I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from
>>> the step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything
>>> that really is common.
>> +1
>
>This one I am not going to attempt myself because changes could affect
>other platforms that I am not using.
>
>>>
>>> 2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.
>> /"(or any other temporary directory of your choice)"/
>
>The fix is to change it to "/usr/tmp (or other temporary directory of
>your choice)", though I am not sure why one would need an alternative to
>/usr/tmp.
>
>>>
>>> 3. Command "lynx -source
>>> rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed
>>> because I had not been told to install lynx.
>>
>> I have never understood or used these instructions regarding lynx.
>
>Let's get rid of them. The closer we can get to one set of instructions
>that work the better. Cygwin's setup automatically installs
>dependencies, and is the normal way of installing Cygwin packages. One
>would need to use it to get lynx anyway.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required packages,
>>> and their dependencies, have already been installed through the Cygwin
>>> setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It
>>> is really necessary to provide an alternative?
>>>
>>> 4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets
>>> an error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."
>>>
>>> At this point, I am officially stuck.
>>
>> As anyone else is, Microsoft has pulled that download long ago.
>>
>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox link
>> where you can download it from)
>
>Yes, but I am modeling a new recruit trying to build AOO for the first
>time, using the latest instructions, on a machine that has not
>previously been used to build it. I really am using a computer I got
>after the last time I built AOO, and I am being very careful to follow
>the instructions as written, ignoring prior experience. My objective is
>as much to test the build instructions and get them fixed as to do the
>build.
>
>Do we understand why AOO building still requires an obsolete MSVC? Any
>way to fix it? This seems to me to be a particularly urgent build problem.
>
>Perhaps the best we can do here for now is to say "If you get to this
>point and do not already have Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 and
>.NET Framework 3.5. SP1, send mail to [hidden email] to get
>your secret decoder ring."
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patricia
>
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Re: Build instructions

Mechtilde Stehmann-2
Hello Pedro

Am 16.02.20 um 07:49 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for a small change of topic, but speaking of new builds, I believe it
> would be great if the 'building instructions' for SDF files were also made
> available in a simple way to follow. Maybe included with the rest of the
> process.

This is the recent page, where I start to document the recent process:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_from_4.2

> Like Pedro Lino said, we (me and him) are trying to test the updated
> translations and it would be of great help if we knew how to create the SDFs.

In short you have to use po2oo from the translate-toolkit
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/oo2po.html?highlight=po2oo
(part of some linux distributions)

to improve the documentation of the translation process help is
appreciated. We can discuss it at
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Translation_from_4.2&action=edit&redlink=1

> Mechtilde, that page link you sent some time ago is exactly where I found the
> gsicheck broken link, so it doesn't help much.

The gsicheck is only available in the code of AOO. So you need a build
environment to run the gsicheck. The link I mentioned is only for the
help part with the possible options.

If someone can help to isolate the code of gsicheck to have a standalone
tool, help is appreciated.
>
> Patricia, I have a machine in those circumstances and, so far, the only thing
> I did was the default cygwin installation. I'm very interested in following
> your 'manual', should it be available.
>
> Regards,
> Pedro Albuquerque

Kind regards
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Re: Build instructions

Peter Kovacs-3
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Hi,

Maybe it would be more helpful to simplify create setup by profiling a dev environment setup script for the distributions?

With the help of chocolatey we could install cygwin per script. And then add the other Programms as needed.
Just a crazy idea.

All the best
Peter

Am 15. Februar 2020 23:29:51 MEZ schrieb Patricia Shanahan <[hidden email]>:

>Hi Matthias,
>
>We consistently lose programming volunteers when we ask them to attempt
>
>a build. That makes getting instructions that work, especially for
>Windows, the commonest platform, absolutely essential.
>
>On 2/15/2020 1:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Patricia,
>>
>> Am 15.02.20 um 20:36 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>> I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am
>
>>> building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and
>keeping
>>> detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.
>>>
>>> 1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from
>>>
>https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements
>
>>> and what from
>>>
>https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit
>>>
>>> The "general" had a lot of conditionals.
>>>
>>> I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from
>>> the step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything
>>> that really is common.
>> +1
>
>This one I am not going to attempt myself because changes could affect
>other platforms that I am not using.
>
>>>
>>> 2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.
>> /"(or any other temporary directory of your choice)"/
>
>The fix is to change it to "/usr/tmp (or other temporary directory of
>your choice)", though I am not sure why one would need an alternative
>to
>/usr/tmp.
>
>>>
>>> 3. Command "lynx -source
>>> rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed
>>> because I had not been told to install lynx.
>>
>> I have never understood or used these instructions regarding lynx.
>
>Let's get rid of them. The closer we can get to one set of instructions
>
>that work the better. Cygwin's setup automatically installs
>dependencies, and is the normal way of installing Cygwin packages. One
>would need to use it to get lynx anyway.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required
>packages,
>>> and their dependencies, have already been installed through the
>Cygwin
>>> setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It
>
>>> is really necessary to provide an alternative?
>>>
>>> 4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets
>
>>> an error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."
>>>
>>> At this point, I am officially stuck.
>>
>> As anyone else is, Microsoft has pulled that download long ago.
>>
>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>link
>> where you can download it from)
>
>Yes, but I am modeling a new recruit trying to build AOO for the first
>time, using the latest instructions, on a machine that has not
>previously been used to build it. I really am using a computer I got
>after the last time I built AOO, and I am being very careful to follow
>the instructions as written, ignoring prior experience. My objective is
>
>as much to test the build instructions and get them fixed as to do the
>build.
>
>Do we understand why AOO building still requires an obsolete MSVC? Any
>way to fix it? This seems to me to be a particularly urgent build
>problem.
>
>Perhaps the best we can do here for now is to say "If you get to this
>point and do not already have Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 and
>.NET Framework 3.5. SP1, send mail to [hidden email] to get
>your secret decoder ring."
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patricia
>
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Matthias Seidel
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Hi all,

First let me thank Mechtilde for the tremendous job she is doing!

I still remember the day (OpenRheinRuhr 2018?) when I complained about
the broken translation process and she instantly took over. Since then a
lot of things have been accomplished.

Now we are able to create language templates from source code, import
them into Pootle, update the translations, export them back to SDF and
commit them.

In parallel we have "recruited" a handful of translators (Amharic,
Kabyle, Oromo, Estonian, Latvian) so we hope to release AOO 4.2.0 with
these new localizations [1].

To be clear, the plan is to automate the translation process on the
Pootle server, so that once a week (?) the most recent translations are
exported and committed to Git.

But all this is done in our spare time and we all have a personal life,
so please be patient (or join the team)!

(Sorry for this being a bit Off Topic now...)

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-420-L10n/


Am 16.02.20 um 08:28 schrieb Mechtilde:

> Hello Pedro
>
> Am 16.02.20 um 07:49 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry for a small change of topic, but speaking of new builds, I believe it
>> would be great if the 'building instructions' for SDF files were also made
>> available in a simple way to follow. Maybe included with the rest of the
>> process.
> This is the recent page, where I start to document the recent process:
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_from_4.2
>
>> Like Pedro Lino said, we (me and him) are trying to test the updated
>> translations and it would be of great help if we knew how to create the SDFs.
> In short you have to use po2oo from the translate-toolkit
> http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/oo2po.html?highlight=po2oo
> (part of some linux distributions)
>
> to improve the documentation of the translation process help is
> appreciated. We can discuss it at
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Translation_from_4.2&action=edit&redlink=1
>
>> Mechtilde, that page link you sent some time ago is exactly where I found the
>> gsicheck broken link, so it doesn't help much.
> The gsicheck is only available in the code of AOO. So you need a build
> environment to run the gsicheck. The link I mentioned is only for the
> help part with the possible options.
>
> If someone can help to isolate the code of gsicheck to have a standalone
> tool, help is appreciated.
>> Patricia, I have a machine in those circumstances and, so far, the only thing
>> I did was the default cygwin installation. I'm very interested in following
>> your 'manual', should it be available.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro Albuquerque
> Kind regards


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Pedro Albuquerque-2
Hi again,

It seems I, somehow, may have 'ofended' (lacking a better word), someone(s). I
humbly apologize for that. It was not my intention at all.
Please believe, I'm also very grateful for all your work, Mechtilde's and all
others.

I will restrain my self from now on, since it seems I cannot express my self
correctly!

Many thanks,
Pedro Albuquerque


Em 16/02/2020 às 12:11, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> escreveu:

>Hi all,
>
>First let me thank Mechtilde for the tremendous job she is doing!
>
>I still remember the day (OpenRheinRuhr 2018?) when I complained about
>the broken translation process and she instantly took over. Since then a
>lot of things have been accomplished.
>
>Now we are able to create language templates from source code, import
>them into Pootle, update the translations, export them back to SDF and
>commit them.
>
>In parallel we have "recruited" a handful of translators (Amharic,
>Kabyle, Oromo, Estonian, Latvian) so we hope to release AOO 4.2.0 with
>these new localizations [1].
>
>To be clear, the plan is to automate the translation process on the
>Pootle server, so that once a week (?) the most recent translations are
>exported and committed to Git.
>
>But all this is done in our spare time and we all have a personal life,
>so please be patient (or join the team)!
>
>(Sorry for this being a bit Off Topic now...)
>
>Regards,
>
>   Matthias
>
>[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-420-L10n/
>
>
>Am 16.02.20 um 08:28 schrieb Mechtilde:
>> Hello Pedro
>>
>> Am 16.02.20 um 07:49 schrieb Pedro Albuquerque:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sorry for a small change of topic, but speaking of new builds, I believe
it
>>> would be great if the 'building instructions' for SDF files were also made
>>> available in a simple way to follow. Maybe included with the rest of the
>>> process.
>> This is the recent page, where I start to document the recent process:
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_from_4.2
>>
>>> Like Pedro Lino said, we (me and him) are trying to test the updated
>>> translations and it would be of great help if we knew how to create the
SDFs.
>> In short you have to use po2oo from the translate-toolkit
>>
http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/oo2po.html?highlight=po2oo
>> (part of some linux distributions)
>>
>> to improve the documentation of the translation process help is
>> appreciated. We can discuss it at
>>
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Translation_from_4.2&action=edit&redlink=1
>>
>>> Mechtilde, that page link you sent some time ago is exactly where I found
the
>>> gsicheck broken link, so it doesn't help much.
>> The gsicheck is only available in the code of AOO. So you need a build
>> environment to run the gsicheck. The link I mentioned is only for the
>> help part with the possible options.
>>
>> If someone can help to isolate the code of gsicheck to have a standalone
>> tool, help is appreciated.
>>> Patricia, I have a machine in those circumstances and, so far, the only
thing
>>> I did was the default cygwin installation. I'm very interested in
following
>>> your 'manual', should it be available.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro Albuquerque
>> Kind regards


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Patricia Shanahan
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On 2/16/2020 3:02 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Maybe it would be more helpful to simplify create setup by profiling a dev environment setup script for the distributions?

That might be a good long term objective. The step-by-step instructions,
if they worked, could serve as the specification for the script.

We would still need the instructions for people who are not using a VM,
and have some software already installed. For example, even on a machine
I had never used to build AOO, I had Cygwin with Perl.

The immediate survival issue is that we need a set of instructions that
can be carried out. Without that, we cannot recruit programmers. I am
currently at a place in the instructions that tells me to install a
piece of software from a URL that tells me it is not available. A script
would be just as stuck at exactly the same place.

(Note: I am stubbornly pretending to be a new volunteer, or a script,
trying to apply the instructions in order to do my first AOO build.)


>
> With the help of chocolatey we could install cygwin per script. And then add the other Programms as needed.
> Just a crazy idea.
>
> All the best
> Peter
>
> Am 15. Februar 2020 23:29:51 MEZ schrieb Patricia Shanahan <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> We consistently lose programming volunteers when we ask them to attempt
>>
>> a build. That makes getting instructions that work, especially for
>> Windows, the commonest platform, absolutely essential.
>>
>> On 2/15/2020 1:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Patricia,
>>>
>>> Am 15.02.20 um 20:36 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>>> I have learned enough about Git to attempt a new Windows build. I am
>>
>>>> building on a Windows 10 system, using the 64-bit Cygwin, and
>> keeping
>>>> detailed notes of any problems with the instructions.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I got very confused between what I should be getting from
>>>>
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO#General_Build_Requirements
>>
>>>> and what from
>>>>
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Build_with_Cygwin_64-bit
>>>>
>>>> The "general" had a lot of conditionals.
>>>>
>>>> I think it could be made easier to use if one could just start from
>>>> the step-by-step and have it link to common web pages for anything
>>>> that really is common.
>>> +1
>>
>> This one I am not going to attempt myself because changes could affect
>> other platforms that I am not using.
>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. There is no /cygdrive/c/temp. /usr/tmp is a temporary directory.
>>> /"(or any other temporary directory of your choice)"/
>>
>> The fix is to change it to "/usr/tmp (or other temporary directory of
>> your choice)", though I am not sure why one would need an alternative
>> to
>> /usr/tmp.
>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Command "lynx -source
>>>> rawgit.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/master/apt-cyg > apt-cyg" failed
>>>> because I had not been told to install lynx.
>>>
>>> I have never understood or used these instructions regarding lynx.
>>
>> Let's get rid of them. The closer we can get to one set of instructions
>>
>> that work the better. Cygwin's setup automatically installs
>> dependencies, and is the normal way of installing Cygwin packages. One
>> would need to use it to get lynx anyway.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unclear how much can be omitted in this area if the required
>> packages,
>>>> and their dependencies, have already been installed through the
>> Cygwin
>>>> setup program, as will be the case if following the instructions. It
>>
>>>> is really necessary to provide an alternative?
>>>>
>>>> 4. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3138 gets
>>
>>>> an error page "We're sorry, this download is no longer available."
>>>>
>>>> At this point, I am officially stuck.
>>>
>>> As anyone else is, Microsoft has pulled that download long ago.
>>>
>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>> link
>>> where you can download it from)
>>
>> Yes, but I am modeling a new recruit trying to build AOO for the first
>> time, using the latest instructions, on a machine that has not
>> previously been used to build it. I really am using a computer I got
>> after the last time I built AOO, and I am being very careful to follow
>> the instructions as written, ignoring prior experience. My objective is
>>
>> as much to test the build instructions and get them fixed as to do the
>> build.
>>
>> Do we understand why AOO building still requires an obsolete MSVC? Any
>> way to fix it? This seems to me to be a particularly urgent build
>> problem.
>>
>> Perhaps the best we can do here for now is to say "If you get to this
>> point and do not already have Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 and
>> .NET Framework 3.5. SP1, send mail to [hidden email] to get
>> your secret decoder ring."
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Patricia
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Keith N. McKenna
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On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
<s

nip>

>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>> link where you can download it from)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
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Matthias;
 If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki. I am also more
than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
how to do that.

Regards
Keith


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Patricia Shanahan
On 2/16/2020 4:31 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:

> On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> <s
>
> nip>
>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>>> link where you can download it from)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
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> Matthias;
>   If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki. I am also more
> than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
> start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
> how to do that.

Are there any legal/copyright issues with supplying Microsoft software
that way?

What would it take to get to use current software, removing the issue?

I agree about a thread for discussing the structure of the Build Guide.

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Matthias Seidel
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Hi Keith,

Am 17.02.20 um 01:31 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

> On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> <s
>
> nip>
>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>>> link where you can download it from)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
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> Matthias;
>  If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki.
Actually it is a link to my own DropBox... ;-)

It would be better if we can put the file somewhere else.

Regards,

   Matthias

>  I am also more
> than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
> start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
> how to do that.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>


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Keith N. McKenna
On 2/17/2020 5:47 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> Am 17.02.20 um 01:31 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> <s
>>
>> nip>
>>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>>>> link where you can download it from)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>    Matthias
>>>>
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>> Matthias;
>>  If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki.
>
> Actually it is a link to my own DropBox... ;-)
>
> It would be better if we can put the file somewhere else.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
Matthias;

I am open to any and all suggestions but as it is currently required to
build AOO on Windows it should be linked in the Guide.

Regards
Keith

>>  I am also more
>> than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
>> start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
>> how to do that.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
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Matthias Seidel
Hi Keith,

Am 18.02.20 um 00:29 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

> On 2/17/2020 5:47 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Am 17.02.20 um 01:31 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> <s
>>>
>>> nip>
>>>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>>>>> link where you can download it from)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Matthias
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>>> Matthias;
>>>  If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki.
>> Actually it is a link to my own DropBox... ;-)
>>
>> It would be better if we can put the file somewhere else.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
> Matthias;
>
> I am open to any and all suggestions but as it is currently required to
> build AOO on Windows it should be linked in the Guide.
Definitely!

Does the ASF have an archive for old SDKs?
Or can we use OOOExtra on SourceForge?

When I brought up that problem to dev@ in 2018 we didn't come to a
conclusion...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>>>  I am also more
>>> than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
>>> start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
>>> how to do that.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
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Keith N. McKenna
On 2/18/2020 6:32 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> Am 18.02.20 um 00:29 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> On 2/17/2020 5:47 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> Am 17.02.20 um 01:31 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>>> On 2/15/2020 4:06 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> <s
>>>>
>>>> nip>
>>>>>> (As you may remember, we wrote about that and I sent you a Dropbox
>>>>>> link where you can download it from)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>
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>>>> Matthias;
>>>>  If you still have that link i can put it into the wiki.
>>> Actually it is a link to my own DropBox... ;-)
>>>
>>> It would be better if we can put the file somewhere else.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>> Matthias;
>>
>> I am open to any and all suggestions but as it is currently required to
>> build AOO on Windows it should be linked in the Guide.
>
> Definitely!
>
> Does the ASF have an archive for old SDKs?
> Or can we use OOOExtra on SourceForge?
>
> When I brought up that problem to dev@ in 2018 we didn't come to a
> conclusion...
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>
Given that and other concerns might it be worth to seek guidance from
legal@?

Regards
Keith

>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>>>  I am also more
>>>> than willing to help to restructure the Build Guide. It may be best to
>>>> start a new thread devoted to just that where all can share ideas on
>>>> how to do that.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>
>


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Re: Build instructions

Andrea Pescetti-2
Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> On 2/18/2020 6:32 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Does the ASF have an archive for old SDKs?
>> Or can we use OOOExtra on SourceForge? ...
> Given that and other concerns might it be worth to seek guidance from
> legal@?

I guess the answer is simply no. We cannot put it in a public archive or
repository, as most likely the Microsoft terms do not allow it.

It is probably already quite borderline to let people know "If you need
a copy, ask us" even though this used to be a free public download from
the Microsoft site until very recently. But we shouldn't go further than
that.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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