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Bundled extensions

Olivier R.-2
Hi all,

Since OOo 3.3, default bundled installed extensions cannot be removed,
even by the administrator. But users can update bundled dictionaries in
their own profile, overriding the default one without removing it. See:
<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Extension_Repositories>

This behaviour is inappropriate for French users.
We have 4 dictionaries that users can select according to their
preferences towards the latest spelling reform. But, as the bundled
dictionary cannot be removed, how can users select the spelling they
want? If they install another dictionary than the default one, there
will be two dictionaries for spellchecking.

Thus, users should be able to disable bundled extensions in their
profile, or may be just dictionaries.

I opened an issue about this:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113574

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Re: Bundled extensions and dictionary extensions

Thomas Lange - Oracle

Hi all,

On 02.08.2010 00:52, Olivier R. wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Since OOo 3.3, default bundled installed extensions cannot be removed,
> even by the administrator. But users can update bundled dictionaries in
> their own profile, overriding the default one without removing it. See:
> <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Extensions/Extension_Repositories>
>
> This behaviour is inappropriate for French users.
> We have 4 dictionaries that users can select according to their
> preferences towards the latest spelling reform. But, as the bundled
> dictionary cannot be removed, how can users select the spelling they
> want? If they install another dictionary than the default one, there
> will be two dictionaries for spellchecking.
>
> Thus, users should be able to disable bundled extensions in their
> profile, or may be just dictionaries.
>
> I opened an issue about this:
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113574
>

That issue was closed with the argumentation that the undesired
dictionary extensions can be removed. This should work but I think this
should be properly announced in order for users to be aware of this.

@Olivier R.: would it be possible for you to add this information to the
dictionary download pages, since those are probably the very first
locations users will look for advice.

Also, in order to not miss on pointing this out, I'd like to
specifically mention that I was told that for bundled extensions there
will be no update notifications! That was already announce in the spec,
but probably not everyone has read it. See
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Setup_-_Bundled_Extensions


Thomas



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Re: Bundled extensions and dictionary extensions

Olivier R.-2
Hi,

Le 03/08/2010 10:43, Thomas Lange - Oracle a écrit :

> That issue was closed with the argumentation that the undesired
> dictionary extensions can be removed. This should work but I think this
> should be properly announced in order for users to be aware of this.

OK.
That’s really not user-friendly. French users still need a way to change
easily the dictionary.
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88573

By the way, we would like to change the default bundled French
dictionary for OOo 3.3. We have worked on a new one, called “Modern”,
which is less confusing, especially for non native French speakers.
Description here:
<http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/fr/project/french-dictionary-modern>
Is it possible? Shall I open an issue?


> @Olivier R.: would it be possible for you to add this information to the
> dictionary download pages, since those are probably the very first
> locations users will look for advice.

I will do it, when OOo 3.3 is released.

> Also, in order to not miss on pointing this out, I'd like to
> specifically mention that I was told that for bundled extensions there
> will be no update notifications! That was already announce in the spec,
> but probably not everyone has read it. See
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Setup_-_Bundled_Extensions

I read:
"Bundled extensions, such as the dictionaries, can be configured if they
provide their own options pages in OOo's options dialog."

What kind of options users could change in a dictionary extension?
Is there an example somewhere?

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Re: Bundled extensions and dictionary extensions

Thomas Lange - Oracle

Hi,

> By the way, we would like to change the default bundled French
> dictionary for OOo 3.3. We have worked on a new one, called “Modern”,
> which is less confusing, especially for non native French speakers.
> Description here:
> <http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/fr/project/french-dictionary-modern>
> Is it possible? Shall I open an issue?
>  

It is easily possible. Just submit an issue with a link to the new
extension and I will replace the current one. But if you have no
specific needs to get it replaced right away I'll probably just keep the
issue until right before the release of OOo 3.3. After you may already
have new updates until that time. ^_-
But if you want to get it included right away just say so in the issue
and I will fix it in a current CWS.


> > Also, in order to not miss on pointing this out, I'd like to
> > specifically mention that I was told that for bundled extensions there
> > will be no update notifications! That was already announced in the spec,
> > but probably not everyone has read it. See
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Setup_-_Bundled_Extensions
>
> I read:
> "Bundled extensions, such as the dictionaries, can be configured if they
> provide their own options pages in OOo's options dialog."
>
> What kind of options users could change in a dictionary extension?
> Is there an example somewhere?
>  

I think that is a misunderstanding on the side of the author who is
probably not really familiar with dictionary extensions. I will check
with the author.


Of course dictionaries (as every other extension) could come along with
there own UI. But it does not really make sense since everything need to
get the dictionary run is already provided in the dictionary.xcu. If an
extrension is to bring along UI for its configuration it needs to write
code, e.g. a jar library, have a new set of configuration entries
defined and implemented ia UNO API. And in the end all of that would
still be useless if it does not provide its own spell check, thesaurus
and hyphenation engine as well, since the engines in lingucomponent are
not aware of anything configured locally to a extension. The only
interface between lingucomponent and dictionary extensions is the
dictionary.xcu.

I think the author confused 'plain' dictionary extensions that do not
come along with UI and code with extensions like the 'Duden Korrektor'
that implements a complete linguistic engine, along with dictionaries,
specific UI, help pages and a specialized option tab in 'Tools/Options'.

Something like that can be done but it is probably far beyond what a
regular dictionary provider likes to do.


Thomas



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