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Copyright year for our packages

Matthias Seidel
Hello,

When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g. with
"dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
Foundation".

Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
should be "2012-2018" now.
I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons against it.

What do you think?

Regards, Matthias

[1] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1233792



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Re: Copyright year for our packages

Peter Kovacs-3
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Am 19. Januar 2018 19:34:23 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]>:

>Hello,
>
>When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g.
>with
>"dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
>Foundation".
>
>Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
>should be "2012-2018" now.
>I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons against
>it.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Regards, Matthias
>
>[1] https://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1233792

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Re: Copyright year for our packages

Andrea Pescetti-2
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Matthias Seidel wrote:
> When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g. with
> "dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
> Foundation".
> Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
> should be "2012-2018" now.
> I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons against it.

I agree in general. I'll also note that this is not the "main" or
"official" copyright statement. Seeing

https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/setup_native/source/packinfo/packinfo_office_lang.txt?r1=1167537&r2=1233792&pathrev=1233792&diff_format=h

I would ask legal-discuss for advice and give them the link above, as it
is entirely possible that (notwithstanding whatever was done in 2012) we
may have to honor the previous copyright notes. This is the continuation
of the OpenOffice code, so it seems fair to claim something like
"1999-2011 by OpenOffice.org [OpenOffice.org is actually a bit unclear],
2011-2018 by the Apache Software Foundation".

Anyway, my advice is: something should be done and it is very good that
you raised it; legal-discuss is one of the (not many) ASF-wide lists
where, despite some occasional trolling, people give clear, justified,
reasonable answers; whatever they suggest will work for us, even though
this is, if I see correctly, just a package annotation and not the
"official" copyright statement accompanying the software.

Since the discussion might extend to what to write in the About Box and
such, I perfectly understand if you go ahead with your proposal in the
meantime and then then rectify when legal-discuss reaches a consensus.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Copyright year for our packages

Marcus (OOo)
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Am 19.01.2018 um 19:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Hello,
>
> When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g. with
> "dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
> Foundation".
>
> Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
> should be "2012-2018" now.
> I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons against it.
>
> What do you think?

just go ahead and add the 6 years for the moment. But Andrea's advise
seems a good one to finalize this adjustment.

Marcus


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Re: Copyright year for our packages

Matthias Seidel
Am 20.01.2018 um 00:08 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 19.01.2018 um 19:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hello,
>>
>> When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g. with
>> "dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
>> Foundation".
>>
>> Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
>> should be "2012-2018" now.
>> I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons
>> against it.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> just go ahead and add the 6 years for the moment. But Andrea's advise
> seems a good one to finalize this adjustment.
Definitely!

Thinking about it, I also suspect that:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/LICENSE_ALv2

should only be a copy of:
https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt

I added 2018 only because "it was always done this way" ;-)

Matthias

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Re: Copyright year for our packages

jonathon-3
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On 01/19/2018 06:34 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> should be "2012-2018" now.

A lawyer (^2) that specialises in copyright law should be able to
explain the legal rationale. The only part I understood was that with
the hyphen, one loses rights, but with individual date listings, one
retains, or even gains rights. (^1)

At a minimum, run it past legal-discuss, before implementing the change.

I'm not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

^1: This is a similar situation to including "All Rights Reserved" in
the copyright line. In the United States "All Rights Reserved" does not
currently add any additional rights. However, prior to 1978 (I think),
it did add specific rights, in the United States. Furthermore, in some
countries in South America (Argentina & Chile, IIRC) it still adds
specific rights to the copyright.

^2: I don't remember if it is South African, UK, US, Canadian, or
Mexican copyright law that loses rights, when a hyphen is used.

jonathon


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Marcus (OOo)
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Am 20.01.2018 um 00:40 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Am 20.01.2018 um 00:08 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 19.01.2018 um 19:34 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> When I look at the installed DEB packages on my Ubuntu system (e.g. with
>>> "dpkg -s openoffice") I see "Copyright: 2012 by The Apache Software
>>> Foundation".
>>>
>>> Looking at [1] and how it was handled at OpenOffice.org I think it
>>> should be "2012-2018" now.
>>> I would commit it to trunk this weekend if there are no reasons
>>> against it.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>
>> just go ahead and add the 6 years for the moment. But Andrea's advise
>> seems a good one to finalize this adjustment.
>
> Definitely!
>
> Thinking about it, I also suspect that:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/LICENSE_ALv2
>
> should only be a copy of:
> https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt

no, for me it just looks like a template. Please see the line "Copyright
[yyyy] [name of copyright owner]" and the paragraph above. Here you can
see a placeholder for the year. This cannot be the offical license but
the (adjusted) copy in every project repo are.

> I added 2018 only because "it was always done this way" ;-)

Thanks for the updates.

Marcus


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