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Cut the crap out

Gary Madine

I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.

How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?

I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
details.

Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.

dis-respectfully

Gary E. Madine
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Re: Cut the crap out

Howard Blum
Do you really expect the volunteers that take their time to respond to
questions to respond to your dreadful attitude?

Maybe you should buy Microsoft Office and call them for help?

On Feb 12, 2018 5:20 AM, "Gary Madine" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>
> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what
> words I want to type?
>
> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to
> prepare my comments with
> details.
>
> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is
> exercising.
>
> dis-respectfully
>
> Gary E. Madine
> [hidden email]
> 610 807 9439
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Re: Cut the crap out

Wade Smart-2
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Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>
> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>
> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
> details.
>
> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>
> dis-respectfully
>
> Gary E. Madine
> [hidden email]
> 610 807 9439
>
>
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Re: Cut the crap out

Wade Smart-2
How about turning off Auto Correct.

Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>
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> Linux since June 2005
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>
>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>
>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>> details.
>>
>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>
>> dis-respectfully
>>
>> Gary E. Madine
>> [hidden email]
>> 610 807 9439
>>
>>
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Re: Cut the crap out

Dave Barton-7
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Gary Madine [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:18:21 -0500
I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.

How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?

I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
details.

Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.

dis-respectfully

Gary E. Madine

First a note to list subscribers: Please recognize that Garry (not subscribed) has written his message in a frustrated and irritated frame of mind and as a list moderator I would request that you please resist the temptation to respond in a way that might be inflammatory.

Gary: Please understand who you are communicating with.The list subscribers who get to read your message are unpaid volunteers and very few (if any) are the same unpaid volunteers who wrote the software you have been given for free.

By analogy, if someone injures themselves with a power tool without knowing or learning how to use it, who is to blame? The same holds true in the case of software that does not function exactly the way the user thinks it should.

The (crap) feature is called "Word Completion", part of the "AutoCorrect" facility and can be turned on and off as required.

The software comes with a in-built Help facility, accessed by tapping the keyboard F1 function key. The in-built Help reads:
"Turning Off AutoCorrect
By default, OpenOffice automatically corrects many common typing errors and applies formatting while you type.
To quickly undo an automatic correction or completion, press Ctrl+Z.
To turn off most AutoCorrect features, remove the check mark from the menu Format - AutoCorrect - While Typing."
A more detailed explanation is:
  • From Writer's main menu select "Tools -> AutoCorrect Options..."


  • In the "AutoCorrect" dialog (window) that opens, click the "Word Completion" tab and click to untick/uncheck the "Enable word completion" box


  • Click the "OK" button and the crap will stop.
There are other documentation and support resources on the website at http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html

I trust this helps.

Respectfully,
Dave

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Re: Cut the crap out

Michael-K
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No offense to anyone, but I'd like to unsubscribe from these emails. I've tried 2-3 times but they haven't stopped. Could someone pass on some advice? Thanks.
Michael


      From: Wade Smart <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:26 AM
 Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
   
How about turning off Auto Correct.

Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>
> --
> Registered Linux User: #480675
> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
> Linux since June 2005
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>
>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>
>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>> details.
>>
>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>
>> dis-respectfully
>>
>> Gary E. Madine
>> [hidden email]
>> 610 807 9439
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
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Re: Cut the crap out

Dave Fisher
Hi -

Send an email from your yahoo.com address to [hidden email]

Check your inbox and spam filter for the response. (You might have to whitelist @openoffice.apache.org)

In the response reply by clicking on the link in the email.

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Michael-K <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> No offense to anyone, but I'd like to unsubscribe from these emails. I've tried 2-3 times but they haven't stopped. Could someone pass on some advice? Thanks.
> Michael
>
>
>      From: Wade Smart <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
>
> How about turning off Auto Correct.
>
> Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
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> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
> Linux since June 2005
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>>
>> --
>> Registered Linux User: #480675
>> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
>> Linux since June 2005
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>>
>>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>>
>>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>>
>>> dis-respectfully
>>>
>>> Gary E. Madine
>>> [hidden email]
>>> 610 807 9439
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
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Re: Cut the crap out

Helen Pitt
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Dear Gary,

I`ve been attempting to unsubscribe from this bloody awful website for approximately two and a half years, I get absolutely nowhere. If I ask how to, then I receive, unhelpful, sarcastic or downright rude comments from various people who I don`t know. I rue the day I ever downloaded Apache, it`s rubbish anyway and regularly doesn't` do what it says on the tin. I usually mark my emails as phishing scam in the fond hope that it will eventually p*** someone at Apache off as much as they have me.  Good luck!

Helen.



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From: Michael-K <[hidden email]>
Sent: 12 February 2018 15:44
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Cut the crap out

No offense to anyone, but I'd like to unsubscribe from these emails. I've tried 2-3 times but they haven't stopped. Could someone pass on some advice? Thanks.
Michael


      From: Wade Smart <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:26 AM
 Subject: Re: Cut the crap out

How about turning off Auto Correct.

Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
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Registered Linux Machine: #408606
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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>
> --
> Registered Linux User: #480675
> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
> Linux since June 2005
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>
>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>
>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>> details.
>>
>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>
>> dis-respectfully
>>
>> Gary E. Madine
>> [hidden email]
>> 610 807 9439
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
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Re: Cut the crap out

Matthias Seidel
Helen,

Simply look at:
https://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#users-mailing-list-public

And this is no website, this is a mailing list!

Regards, Matthias


Am 12.02.2018 um 18:01 schrieb Helen Pitt:

>
> Dear Gary,
>
> I`ve been attempting to unsubscribe from this bloody awful website for approximately two and a half years, I get absolutely nowhere. If I ask how to, then I receive, unhelpful, sarcastic or downright rude comments from various people who I don`t know. I rue the day I ever downloaded Apache, it`s rubbish anyway and regularly doesn't` do what it says on the tin. I usually mark my emails as phishing scam in the fond hope that it will eventually p*** someone at Apache off as much as they have me.  Good luck!
>
> Helen.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael-K <[hidden email]>
> Sent: 12 February 2018 15:44
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
>
> No offense to anyone, but I'd like to unsubscribe from these emails. I've tried 2-3 times but they haven't stopped. Could someone pass on some advice? Thanks.
> Michael
>
>
>       From: Wade Smart <[hidden email]>
>  To: [hidden email]
>  Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:26 AM
>  Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
>
> How about turning off Auto Correct.
>
> Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
> --
> Registered Linux User: #480675
> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
> Linux since June 2005
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>>
>> --
>> Registered Linux User: #480675
>> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
>> Linux since June 2005
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>>
>>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>>
>>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>>
>>> dis-respectfully
>>>
>>> Gary E. Madine
>>> [hidden email]
>>> 610 807 9439
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>>
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Re: Cut the crap out

Dave Fisher
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Dear Helen,

The Apache Software Foundation is all volunteers.  

If you mark all email from Apache.org as spam then you won’t ever complete the unsubscribe link at the bottom of every email.

Peace,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Helen Pitt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Gary,
>
> I`ve been attempting to unsubscribe from this bloody awful website for approximately two and a half years, I get absolutely nowhere. If I ask how to, then I receive, unhelpful, sarcastic or downright rude comments from various people who I don`t know. I rue the day I ever downloaded Apache, it`s rubbish anyway and regularly doesn't` do what it says on the tin. I usually mark my emails as phishing scam in the fond hope that it will eventually p*** someone at Apache off as much as they have me.  Good luck!
>
> Helen.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael-K <[hidden email]>
> Sent: 12 February 2018 15:44
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
>
> No offense to anyone, but I'd like to unsubscribe from these emails. I've tried 2-3 times but they haven't stopped. Could someone pass on some advice? Thanks.
> Michael
>
>
>     From: Wade Smart <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Cut the crap out
>
> How about turning off Auto Correct.
>
> Oh.. Gary, MS has it too.
> --
> Registered Linux User: #480675
> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
> Linux since June 2005
>
>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Wade Smart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Wow.. Gary woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
>>
>> --
>> Registered Linux User: #480675
>> Registered Linux Machine: #408606
>> Linux since June 2005
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Gary Madine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>>
>>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>>
>>> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.
>>>
>>> dis-respectfully
>>>
>>> Gary E. Madine
>>> [hidden email]
>>> 610 807 9439
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Cut the crap out

John Hart-2
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On 2/12/2018 8:01 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Gary Madine <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:18:21 -0500
>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>
>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>
>>
> First a note to list subscribers: Please recognize that Garry (not
> subscribed) has written his message in a frustrated and irritated
> frame of mind and as a list moderator I would request that you please
> resist the temptation to respond in a way that might be inflammatory.

Many novice users have similar problems. The reason is volunteers spend
a lot of time designing and
coding powerful features, and they want to show off their work so they
make them the Default. It's understandable
why, if they don't, how will anyone  know the feature is available? What
goes wrong is the majority of
users want something that's easy to use from the start, and all it takes
is one snag and the feature turns into a
nightmare. When one has time this isn't as frustrating as when one is in
a hurry, but when the new car won't
start, people get angry. OO is good software, written by talented
people, but the lack of focus on marketing
causes this type of problem to occur. If OO cost the same as MS Office,
it's doubtful many would use it, or
there'd be enough profit to pay 'volunteers' a living wage.

Open source software is necessary to prevent corrupt people from using
computers to rip people off, The
only way I see to make it viable is to give tax credits to individuals
and corporations that support it. In the
present system, those who support OSS are at a considerable disadvantage
in the market place because
work they fund can be used by competitors for free! Money going into OSS
projects would enable things
essential to success, that volunteers can't do, like writing tutorials
and providing on line technical support.

jrh


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Dave Fisher
Hi John,

I truly get where you with this. Let me put the OpenOffice history in perspective. I will not discuss LibreOffice although others may.

A preamble about the history of Apache OpenOffice. In 2011 Oracle donated OpenOffice.org to the ASF through the Apache Incubator. IBM hired a number of the Oracle developers who were being let go and allowed a number of developers and QA personnel to contribute. They also contributed code from Symphony which was based on OpenOffice.org. This is the sidebar.

There is also a volunteer effort at [hidden email] where volunteers can help translate the UI, Help, and Website to a language. Volunteers have supported over 41 languages! If yours is not then you can volunteer if you are so inclined.

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 1:10 PM, John Hart <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 2/12/2018 8:01 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Gary Madine <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:18:21 -0500
>>> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>>>
>>> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?
>>>
>>>
>> First a note to list subscribers: Please recognize that Garry (not subscribed) has written his message in a frustrated and irritated frame of mind and as a list moderator I would request that you please resist the temptation to respond in a way that might be inflammatory.
>
> Many novice users have similar problems.
This is no doubt true. Since the inclusion of the Sidebar in general the OpenOffice developers have taken the position that very little change to the UI is what are users want and need.

> The reason is volunteers spend a lot of time designing and
> coding powerful features, and they want to show off their work so they make them the Default. It's understandable
> why, if they don't, how will anyone  know the feature is available?

Yes this can be what some developers do, we are avoiding this for the most part. If you have an example of UI that has changed since 4.0 then please bring it up.

> What goes wrong is the majority of
> users want something that's easy to use from the start, and all it takes is one snag and the feature turns into a
> nightmare. When one has time this isn't as frustrating as when one is in a hurry, but when the new car won't
> start, people get angry.

Please do not move anything from where my muscle memory tells me it is.

> OO is good software, written by talented people, but the lack of focus on marketing
> causes this type of problem to occur. If OO cost the same as MS Office, it's doubtful many would use it, or
> there'd be enough profit to pay 'volunteers' a living wage.

Well Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world and they have been investing in Excel and Word for 35 years …
OpenOffice was developed by Star since 1990 and purchased by Sun and then Oracle then you can add in the IBM contribution. So you then have 23 years of development by corporations. It may not be the same order of magnitude, but it is closer to 1000 to 1 than a 1,000,000,000 to 1.

Right now we are doing what we can to support are millions of users to protect them from issues.

>
> Open source software is necessary to prevent corrupt people from using computers to rip people off, The
> only way I see to make it viable is to give tax credits to individuals and corporations that support it.

Given the global nature of Open Source how would these credits work?

We don’t need government. Right now the ASF can be funded. Here are some links:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html
http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html
https://community.apache.org/contributors/

> In the
> present system, those who support OSS are at a considerable disadvantage in the market place because
> work they fund can be used by competitors for free! Money going into OSS projects would enable things
> essential to success, that volunteers can't do, like writing tutorials and providing on line technical support.

Well, we have volunteers. If you want to contribute then volunteer directly, or found a company, hire some developers and have them contribute to the project. Yes, I’m not Bill Gates or Larry Ellison either.

Regards,
Dave

>
> jrh
>
>


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Re: Cut the crap out

Martin Groenescheij
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On 13/02/18 12:18 AM, Gary Madine wrote:
> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.

Never do important things in a hurry.

>
> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I want to type?

All you need to do is type "Word" into the search field of the Help page.

>
> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to prepare my comments with
> details.
>
> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is exercising.

Some find it a great feature others find it nasty, therefore they made
it optional,

>
> dis-respectfully
>
> Gary E. Madine
> [hidden email]
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Johnny Rosenberg
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2018-02-12 14:18 GMT+01:00 Gary Madine <[hidden email]>:

>
> I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.
>
> How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what
> words I want to type?
>

It's not mine. I'm just a user, like you. That's what this mailing list is
all about. I'm not sure how you could subscribe to the list without getting
that. Maybe you are stupid or something, I can't tell for sure from here.


>
> I’m going to go to the web to find out faster.  I’ll use another tool to
> prepare my comments with
> details.
>

Good, but why did you waste your energy and time to write a lot of crap to
the wrong place? For fun? I'm not even sure why I'm writing back.


>
> Any followups will cover your response to the nasty “feature” your tool is
> exercising.
>

Not sure what that means. I haven't even seen the feature you are talking
about. When I type in Writer there's no guessing going on at all, as far as
I remember (I didn't use Apache OpenOffice for a long time now).


>
> dis-respectfully
>

Glad you said that, so we know how much we should respect you back.


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