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[DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".

(Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in a
different thread. :-) )

Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
want to download their favorit AOO version.

We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.

Thanks

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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:

> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>
> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>
> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in a
> different thread. :-) )
>
> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>
> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.

after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the chance
for asking if there are any suggestions.

Thanks

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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Matthias Seidel
Really no mac user interested?!

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>
>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>
>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in
>> a different thread. :-) )
>>
>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>
>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>
> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Jim Jagielski
I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac users... so what kind of hint text would we need?

> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Really no mac user interested?!
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>
>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>
>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in
>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>
>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>
>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>
>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Matthias Seidel
Hi Jim,

Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac users... so what kind of hint text would we need?

User often ask if our DMG will also install/run on M1 chips (supported
since Big Sur).
We never clarified this officially and I don't want to tell every single
one that it works... ;-)

This is just for a better user experience and to have less questions
about that.
(Of course we all know that users often don't read these notes, but then
we have done our best, at least!)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>>
>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>
>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in
>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>
>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>
>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac users... so what kind of hint text would we need?

the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
So, what is important for these users?

Thanks

Marcus



>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>
>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?" and
>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>
>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a topic in
>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>
>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when they
>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Matthias Seidel
Hi Marcus,

Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>
> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
> So, what is important for these users?

Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?

I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>
>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Dave Fisher-2


> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus,
>
> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>
>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>> So, what is important for these users?
>
> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>
> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.

Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.

Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.

For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89283

Regards,
Dave

>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Dean.Webber
I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."

Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.

🙂
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From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS



> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus,
>
> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>
>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>> So, what is important for these users?
>
> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>
> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.

Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.

Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.

For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0

Regards,
Dave

>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>
> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.

OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to
display it to the users.

Marcus



> ________________________________
> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>
>
>
>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marcus,
>>
>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>
>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>
>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>
>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>
> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>
> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>
> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>
> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>
>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?'
>> for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover
>> on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to
>> contain important information.
>
> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to
> display it to the users.

really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what
to tell the users in past threads.

Marcus



>> ________________________________
>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>
>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>
>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>
>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>
>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>
>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>
>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit
>> for 64 bit windows”.
>>
>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1
>> chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0 
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Matthias Seidel

Hi Marcus, all,

These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)

Regards,

   Matthias

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------

Betreff: Mac Mini M1 Chip
Datum: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
Von: David Stuhr [hidden email]
Antwort an: [hidden email]
An: [hidden email]


Hello,

Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?

Thanks.


Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."

Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.

OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.

really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.

Marcus



________________________________
From: Dave Fisher [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
To: [hidden email] [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS



On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel [hidden email] wrote:

Hi Marcus,

Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
users... so what kind of hint text would we need?

the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
So, what is important for these users?

Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?

I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.

Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.

Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.

For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0

Regards,
Dave


Regards,

    Matthias


Thanks

Marcus



On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
[hidden email] wrote:

Really no mac user interested?!

Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0

We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
and
Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".

(Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
topic in
a different thread. :-) )

Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
they
want to download their favorit AOO version.

We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Jim Jagielski
Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus, all,
>
> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>
> Betreff: Mac Mini M1 Chip
> Datum: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
> Von: David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> Hello,
>
> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>
>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>
>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>
>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>
>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>
>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>
>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Matthias Seidel
Hi Jim,

Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"

That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
[1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_binary#Universal_2

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)#Rosetta_2

>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>
>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>
>> Betreff: Mac Mini M1 Chip
>> Datum: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>> Von: David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>>
>>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>>
>>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
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Marcus (OOo)
Am 15.03.21 um 18:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"
>
> That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
> [1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_binary#Universal_2
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)#Rosetta_2

what about the following draft:

"
Apache OpenOffice is running on Intel-based Mac hardware.

But with the help of Apple's Rosetta technology it is running also on
Apple-designed processors that are based on ARM technology.

Examples: MacBook Air (4th gen, since end of 2020), Mac mini (5th gen
since end of 2020) and MacBook Pro (2020, with 13" display and 2
Thunderbolt ports).

For more information about Rosetta see Apple's support website.
"

Marcus



>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>>
>>> Betreff: Mac Mini M1 Chip
>>> Datum: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>>> Von: David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
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I've changed the visualization of the platform hints:

https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html

Please have a look and tell me if this is better than the previous
"tooltip over the colored button" solution.

PS:
The text for macOS is still missing. Maybe time to define it?

Thanks

Marcus



Am 15.03.21 um 18:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"
>
> That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
> [1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_binary#Universal_2
>
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)#Rosetta_2
>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>>
>>> Betreff: Mac Mini M1 Chip
>>> Datum: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>>> Von: David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Dean.Webber
Much better.

Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been around enough distros to know the difference between the various installs. Seems to be a barrier for some people to use AOO instead of the default office suite.

The method I use on a new install is;
sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice*
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get autoremove
cd en-GB/DEBS
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Something like that, actually think I do;
cd en-GB/DEBS
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
sudo dpkg -i desktop-integration/*.deb

Would be helpful, since OpenOffice (does not seem to be or) is not the Software Center (on Linux Mint)

Thanks for the update that points to https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/platform_hints.html now I do no longer have to think about deb vs rpm.

________________________________
From: Marcus <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, 5 April 2021 12:52 AM
To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

I've changed the visualization of the platform hints:

https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopenoffice-org.staged.apache.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=7vUcLlfNZkJqPRd2QG5VXN2w%2BXyiwDC0bpW7WvK8es4%3D&amp;reserved=0

Please have a look and tell me if this is better than the previous
"tooltip over the colored button" solution.

PS:
The text for macOS is still missing. Maybe time to define it?

Thanks

Marcus



Am 15.03.21 um 18:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"
>
> That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
> [1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
> [1] https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUniversal_binary%23Universal_2&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=PBgX4nSyZzN4LMlWh8f%2BLMb8ZylHRlAsD1rZFViHgWU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> [2] https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRosetta_&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=DU5IkQhs9Ap5DX%2FwaikgzgNS7qAs5N%2FEQPJv0yoLR%2Bg%3D&amp;reserved=0(software)#Rosetta_2
>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>>
>>> Betreff:    Mac Mini M1 Chip
>>> Datum:      Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>>> Von:        David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BuvnDXcEfLqL0dcoVwo4yZKvv7jqT%2Bh5NerxCS8GNOk%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BuvnDXcEfLqL0dcoVwo4yZKvv7jqT%2Bh5NerxCS8GNOk%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Matthias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2uoRKr5R4%2BXaQLmjc4y%2B3YEmswX%2FoAE9n1XAqT%2BfGs%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2uoRKr5R4%2BXaQLmjc4y%2B3YEmswX%2FoAE9n1XAqT%2BfGs%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

Marcus (OOo)
Am 05.04.21 um 04:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> Much better.

thaks for your feedback. :-)

> Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been around enough distros to know the difference between the various installs. Seems to be a barrier for some people to use AOO instead of the default office suite.
>
> [...]
>
> Would be helpful, since OpenOffice (does not seem to be or) is not the Software Center (on Linux Mint)

I hesitate to put it beside the other text. As it is a lot more, it's
more complex to get it localized.

But I would favor a link that points to a centralized webpage. Like it
is done with the "Java and Apache OpenOffice" link.

> Thanks for the update that points to https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/platform_hints.html now I do no longer have to think about deb vs rpm.

Please note that this is just our staging area for testing. Of course
when all is done it will be published to the public webpage.

Marcus



> ________________________________
> From: Marcus <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, 5 April 2021 12:52 AM
> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>
> I've changed the visualization of the platform hints:
>
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopenoffice-org.staged.apache.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=7vUcLlfNZkJqPRd2QG5VXN2w%2BXyiwDC0bpW7WvK8es4%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Please have a look and tell me if this is better than the previous
> "tooltip over the colored button" solution.
>
> PS:
> The text for macOS is still missing. Maybe time to define it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 15.03.21 um 18:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and Silicon/M1"
>>
>> That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
>> [1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>      Matthias
>>
>> [1] https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUniversal_binary%23Universal_2&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=PBgX4nSyZzN4LMlWh8f%2BLMb8ZylHRlAsD1rZFViHgWU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> [2] https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRosetta_&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=DU5IkQhs9Ap5DX%2FwaikgzgNS7qAs5N%2FEQPJv0yoLR%2Bg%3D&amp;reserved=0(software)#Rosetta_2
>>
>>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>>
>>>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>      Matthias
>>>>
>>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>>>
>>>> Betreff:    Mac Mini M1 Chip
>>>> Datum:      Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>>>> Von:        David Stuhr <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>> Antwort an: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>> An: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>>>>>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.
>>>>>> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to display it to the users.
>>>>> really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what to tell the users in past threads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>>>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
>>>>>>>>>>> users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>>>>>>>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>>>>>>>>> So, what is important for these users?
>>>>>>>> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
>>>>>>>> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
>>>>>>>> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.
>>>>>>> They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 bit windows”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BuvnDXcEfLqL0dcoVwo4yZKvv7jqT%2Bh5NerxCS8GNOk%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BuvnDXcEfLqL0dcoVwo4yZKvv7jqT%2Bh5NerxCS8GNOk%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really no mac user interested?!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2uoRKr5R4%2BXaQLmjc4y%2B3YEmswX%2FoAE9n1XAqT%2BfGs%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906781678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=v2uoRKr5R4%2BXaQLmjc4y%2B3YEmswX%2FoAE9n1XAqT%2BfGs%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.


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Arrigo Marchiori
Hello All,

On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:33:20AM +0200, Marcus wrote:

> Am 05.04.21 um 04:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> > Much better.

I like better the fact that now it is a ``real'' link. The button
shape suggests that it's clickable, and something actually happens
when I click it.

But I find the popup a bit ``bulky''. I do not know enough of current
web design, unfortunately, but maybe a new browser window with address
bar and all the Apache header and footer is ``too much''. I would like
best to see the text appear below, like the light green frame with
installation instructions that pops out when an OS is selected.

> > Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been around enough distros to know the difference between the various installs. Seems to be a barrier for some people to use AOO instead of the default office suite.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Would be helpful, since OpenOffice (does not seem to be or) is not the Software Center (on Linux Mint)

Having Linux repositories for the major distributions should be one of
our next goals IMHO. But this is off-topic here.

> I hesitate to put it beside the other text. As it is a lot more, it's more
> complex to get it localized.
>
> But I would favor a link that points to a centralized webpage. Like it is
> done with the "Java and Apache OpenOffice" link.

What about a Wiki page?

Thank you for your work, Marcus!
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Marcus (OOo)
Am 09.04.21 um 21:14 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:

> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:33:20AM +0200, Marcus wrote:
>
>> Am 05.04.21 um 04:33 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>>> Much better.
>
> I like better the fact that now it is a ``real'' link. The button
> shape suggests that it's clickable, and something actually happens
> when I click it.
>
> But I find the popup a bit ``bulky''. I do not know enough of current
> web design, unfortunately, but maybe a new browser window with address
> bar and all the Apache header and footer is ``too much''. I would like

me, too. ;-(
Maybe Dave has an idea how to get this done.

Neverthelesss I'll try to change to the popup window tomorrow as it is
definitely better than what we have now. More changes could be done later.

> best to see the text appear below, like the light green frame with
> installation instructions that pops out when an OS is selected.

As you can see in the popup windows the text is different between the
platforms and they can change over the time.

When showing this in a (not that) little box depending on what is
clicked or where the mouse is, I think it can be disturbing.
IMHO the focus on downloading the files is than left to some other stuff.

Maybe the popup window can change to a full window that is opened in a
new tab?

>>> Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been around enough distros to know the difference between the various installs. Seems to be a barrier for some people to use AOO instead of the default office suite.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Would be helpful, since OpenOffice (does not seem to be or) is not the Software Center (on Linux Mint)
>
> Having Linux repositories for the major distributions should be one of
> our next goals IMHO. But this is off-topic here.

Right, please not here. ;-)

>> I hesitate to put it beside the other text. As it is a lot more, it's more
>> complex to get it localized.
>>
>> But I would favor a link that points to a centralized webpage. Like it is
>> done with the "Java and Apache OpenOffice" link.
>
> What about a Wiki page?

Yes, the install instructions could be a separate webpage or indeed
somewhere is the Wiki where it can be linked to.

> Thank you for your work, Marcus!

Thanks for your feedback.

Marcus


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