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René Bjerre Andersen
No software in the world can do what I need it to do.

 

I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
D-chord to an A...

 

Intro  G     C      D      

(Piano |: G – G/f# - Em – G/d – C2 – D7sus4 :|)

 

     G                        

I've dealt with my ghosts an’ I've faced all my demons

C                         D

Fin’ly content with the past I regret

 

If I had a function in OO where I could choose the key of the song in e.g. a
dropdown menu and every chord is an object that can be locked to a specific
place in the lyrics. Then this object could be changed according to the
chosen key - or if I change the key (=transpose it).

Furthermore, if the chord-object is locked to a specific place I can change
font-style and -size etc. without changing their relative position - as have
happened in the example above.

 

If someone could programme this feature into OO, he or she would forever be
included in my evening prayers! ;-)

 

René Andersen

Denmark

 

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Re: Future element?

Robert Derman-2
René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.
>
>  
>
> I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
> transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
> this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
> bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
> in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
> C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
> D-chord to an A...
>
>  
>
> Intro  G     C      D      
>
> (Piano |: G – G/f# - Em – G/d – C2 – D7sus4 :|)
>
>  
>
>      G                        
>
> I've dealt with my ghosts an’ I've faced all my demons
>
> C                         D
>
> Fin’ly content with the past I regret
>
>  
>
> If I had a function in OO where I could choose the key of the song in e.g. a
> dropdown menu and every chord is an object that can be locked to a specific
> place in the lyrics. Then this object could be changed according to the
> chosen key - or if I change the key (=transpose it).
>
> Furthermore, if the chord-object is locked to a specific place I can change
> font-style and -size etc. without changing their relative position - as have
> happened in the example above.
>
>  
>
> If someone could programme this feature into OO, he or she would forever be
> included in my evening prayers! ;-)
>
>  
>
> René Andersen
>
> Denmark
>  
I am sure such a function will never appear in any office suite. The
only way that any software will ever be offered is if a company that
makes software for musicians decides that there is enough of a market
for it to pay for its development, or if a musician who also dabbles in
computer programming decides to spend the time writing it for his or her
own use, and then makes it available FOSS for others. But as part of an
office suite, I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

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Re: Future element?

Paul Scott-4
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On 02/11/2011 08:07 AM, René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.
>
>
>
> I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
> transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
> this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
> bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
> in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
> C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
> D-chord to an A...
>    

LilyPond should do what you want. It's free.

http://lilypond.org/index.html

Paul Scott

>
>
> Intro  G     C      D
>
> (Piano |: G – G/f# - Em – G/d – C2 – D7sus4 :|)
>
>
>
>       G
>
> I've dealt with my ghosts an’ I've faced all my demons
>
> C                         D
>
> Fin’ly content with the past I regret
>
>
>
> If I had a function in OO where I could choose the key of the song in e.g. a
> dropdown menu and every chord is an object that can be locked to a specific
> place in the lyrics. Then this object could be changed according to the
> chosen key - or if I change the key (=transpose it).
>
> Furthermore, if the chord-object is locked to a specific place I can change
> font-style and -size etc. without changing their relative position - as have
> happened in the example above.
>
>
>
> If someone could programme this feature into OO, he or she would forever be
> included in my evening prayers! ;-)
>
>
>
> René Andersen
>
> Denmark
>
>
>
>
>    


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Re: Future element?

Joost Andrae-2
Hi René,

>
> LilyPond should do what you want. It's free.
>
> http://lilypond.org/index.html

and there's an OpenOffice.org extension available that connects to Lilypond:

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/de/project/OOoLilyPond
The last update (v. 0.40) of the oxt file was from June 13th 2009 and it
works in OOo 3.3.0 (just tested with Lilypond's stable branch from
http://www.lilypond.org). There's also a lot of helpful documentation on
the projects' website.

Kind regards, Joost


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Re: Future element?

Paul Cohen
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On 2/11/2011 10:07 AM, René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.
>
>
>
> I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
> transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
> this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
> bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
> in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
> C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
> D-chord to an A...
>
>
>
> Intro  G     C      D
>
> (Piano |: G -- G/f# - Em -- G/d -- C2 -- D7sus4 :|)
>
>
>
>       G
>
> I've dealt with my ghosts an' I've faced all my demons
>
> C                         D
>
> Fin'ly content with the past I regret
>
>
>
> If I had a function in OO where I could choose the key of the song in e.g. a
> dropdown menu and every chord is an object that can be locked to a specific
> place in the lyrics. Then this object could be changed according to the
> chosen key - or if I change the key (=transpose it).
>
> Furthermore, if the chord-object is locked to a specific place I can change
> font-style and -size etc. without changing their relative position - as have
> happened in the example above.
>
>
>
> If someone could programme this feature into OO, he or she would forever be
> included in my evening prayers! ;-)
>
>
>
> René Andersen
>
> Denmark
>
>
>
>
Some years ago I wrote a macro for Microsoft Word that made this
conversion.  It wasn't without bugs, but most of the time it worked OK.  
If it would be useful, I might be able to find it for you.

--
*Paul Cohen*
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Re: Future element?

mike scott-2
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On 11/02/2011 15:07, René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.
>
>
>
> I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
> transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
> this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
> bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
> in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
> C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
> D-chord to an A...

(NB you're not subscribed to this mailing list - there's at least one
answer that you'll probably have missed as a result! See
www.openoffice.org for more info on the openoffice mail lists)

There's quite a lot about. Someone else has mentioned lilypond, which
may be a bit heavy duty. (I'm almost sure there's a gui editor to go
with this, but can't remember the name offhand.) It might be worth
looking at abcm2ps, which offers a lighter-duty non-gui approach to
music typesetting, along with abc2abc which will do transpositions for you.

I know there's a least one 'fake book' program, which will do chord
transpositions (and even recommend guitar capo position) and output a
more-or-less usable odf file. There must be others, I'm sure.

If £££ don't matter, there's always the likes of Sibelius!


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Harlow, Essex, England

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Re: Future element?

Jonathon Blake
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On 11/02/2011 15:07, René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.

Both _Sibelius_ and _Finale_ can do what you described.

ABCEdit (Music Editor) does the same thing, but only if you use ABC
notation. Depending upon your music notation requirements, ABC might not
be suitable for you.

If you have the music in MIDIformat, then MidiTransform can do what you
request.

On 13/02/2011 19:38, Paul Scott wrote:

> LilyPond should do what you want.

Lilypond is for music typesetting.  It doesn't do scale transformations.

jonathon
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Re: Future element?

Barbara Duprey
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[Apologies for the top post!]

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On 2/11/2011 9:07 AM, René Bjerre Andersen wrote:

> No software in the world can do what I need it to do.
>
>
>
> I'm a teacher and amateur musician and often I need to have a song
> transposed to a different key e.g. from G-major to D-major. But I have to do
> this manually: find every G-chord and change it to D. This can sometime be a
> bit troublesome as I have to use color-coding. E.g. if I change all G-chords
> in the text below (I'm Moving On - Rascal Flats) I get an intro like this D
> C      D - I can't tell if it's right or I still have to transpose the last
> D-chord to an A...
>
>
>
> Intro  G     C      D
>
> (Piano |: G – G/f# - Em – G/d – C2 – D7sus4 :|)
>
>
>
>       G
>
> I've dealt with my ghosts an’ I've faced all my demons
>
> C                         D
>
> Fin’ly content with the past I regret
>
>
>
> If I had a function in OO where I could choose the key of the song in e.g. a
> dropdown menu and every chord is an object that can be locked to a specific
> place in the lyrics. Then this object could be changed according to the
> chosen key - or if I change the key (=transpose it).
>
> Furthermore, if the chord-object is locked to a specific place I can change
> font-style and -size etc. without changing their relative position - as have
> happened in the example above.
>
>
>
> If someone could programme this feature into OO, he or she would forever be
> included in my evening prayers! ;-)
>
>
>
> René Andersen
>
> Denmark
>
>
>
>

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SV: [discuss] Future element?

René Bjerre Andersen-2
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That would be great. I'm not very good at programming but I'm trying to
learn so my student might try...

René
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Some years ago I wrote a macro for Microsoft Word that made this conversion.
It wasn't without bugs, but most of the time it worked OK.  
If it would be useful, I might be able to find it for you.

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SV: [discuss] Future element?

René Bjerre Andersen-2
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Finale, Sibelius and LilyPond doesn't have the function I need. Yes, they
can all transpose a song to a different key, but I only want the lyrics and
chords. All these programs have to have the notes plotted to be able to
transpose the song --> chords.

I have access to both Finale and Sibelius. I also know PriMus (aka Score
Perfect) - but same problem...

René


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Re: SV: [discuss] Future element?

Cor Nouws
Hi René,

René Bjerre Andersen wrote (14-02-11 19:47)
> Finale, Sibelius and LilyPond doesn't have the function I need. Yes, they

LilyPond is open source. So maybe you can find someone who is interested
to help :-)

Regards,
Cor


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Re: SV: [discuss] Future element?

mike scott-2
On 14/02/2011 19:40, Cor Nouws wrote:

> Hi René,
>
> René Bjerre Andersen wrote (14-02-11 19:47)
>> Finale, Sibelius and LilyPond doesn't have the function I need. Yes, they
>
> LilyPond is open source. So maybe you can find someone who is interested
> to help :-)
>
> Regards,
> Cor
>
>

This now seems well OT for this list :-(

If the OP wishes, can install perl, and promises /absolutely/ to neither
criticize the remarkably untidy code ( :-)  ) nor ask for support, I
could send my fake book script. It handles lyrics and chords, will
transpose as needed and produces a usable-if-not-the-best text or odf
file as output from a could-probably-be-simpler input.

Otherwise, I'd suggest using abc-formatted input and abc2abc (it's a
freebie). Which will happily convert, say,

X: 1
M:4/4
T:test piece
C:Mike
%
K:A
%
"A" "B" "Bb" "C"

to (up a tone)

X: 1
M:4/4
T:test piece
C:Mike
%
K:B
%
"B" "C#" "C" "D"

Somewhat laborious, but at least you'd get the chords done.


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