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IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
Hi all,

IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.

Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache license. [2]

I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
[2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246



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Re: IBM Plex font

Marcus (OOo)
Am 09.08.2018 um 17:55 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>
> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache license. [2]
>
> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?

even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible with
the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new font
without any reason would just increase the install size about some
megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).

[1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3

Marcus


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Re: IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
Am 09.08.2018 um 21:04 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 09.08.2018 um 17:55 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>>
>> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache
>> license. [2]
>>
>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>
> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible
> with the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new
> font without any reason would just increase the install size about
> some megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).
About 4 MB when you include everything. It was just an idea...

Matthias

>
> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
>
> Marcus
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RE: IBM Plex font

Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie)
It would seem to me that we should  limit fonts to those on the user’s computer plus those we can load from google (provided the internet is up). That would be simplest with least overhead. (Any  other font available via internet would also be OK.) Drawback, if when the user reedits the file, the internet or site is down might cause some problems.

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Am 09.08.2018 um 21:04 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 09.08.2018 um 17:55 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>>
>> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache
>> license. [2]
>>
>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>
> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible
> with the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new
> font without any reason would just increase the install size about
> some megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).

About 4 MB when you include everything. It was just an idea...

Matthias

>
> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
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> Marcus
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Re: IBM Plex font

Keith N. McKenna
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On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>
> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache license. [2]
>
> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
> [2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246
>
>
My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
downloaded for free.

Regards
Keith


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Re: IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:

> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>>
>> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache license. [2]
>>
>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>> [2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246
>>
>>
> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
> downloaded for free.
OK, point taken.

But at least some people now know of this font... ;-)
(I am using it for quite some time now)

Regards,
   Matthias

> Regards
> Keith
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Re: IBM Plex font

Fernando Cassia
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On 8/9/18, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible with
> the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new font
> without any reason would just increase the install size about some
> megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).
>
> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
>
> Marcus

One of the reasons I always selected StarOffice, besides supporting
the then-parent-company behind OpenOffice.org (Sun Microsystems) was
the addition of clipart and fonts.

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=29652&seqNum=5

"Font stuff: There are new "metrically compatible" TrueType Microsoft
Windows core fonts. Font substitution is better. You can set up font
substitution with a new improved algorithm that makes the matching
better, including across platforms."

Back to the IBM font... it´s
 OpenType.zip is 3.82 MB
 TrueType.zip is 4.46 MB

I just downloaded TrueType.zip from the github project page,
decompressed it to its own subfolder, and recompressed it to 7zip
format using p7zip -mx9 (maximum compression). The resulting packaged
size is 2MB

2MB doesn´t seem like a killer size increase to me...

Just my two cents worth...
FC

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FR web forum
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In the same time, it would be nice if we have a list of all these fonts.
In the wiki, I don't find a page with this information: fonts provided by AOO

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> Hi all,
>
> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>
> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache
> license. [2]
>
> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
> [2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246
>
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Andrea Pescetti-2
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On 10/08/2018 Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>>>
>> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
>> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
>> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
>> downloaded for free.
>
> OK, point taken.

It could still be a good exercise to add it to trunk as a test, so that
we can check what the size increase actually is and revisit that part of
OpenOffice. Then, if there is no special benefit and the size increase
is too much, we can always remove it, but I see some value (meaning:
some knowledge gain) in trying even if in the end we decide not to keep it.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: IBM Plex font

Carl Marcum
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Hi Matthias,


On 08/09/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>
> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache license. [2]
>
> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>
> Regards,
>
>     Matthias
>
> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
> [2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246
>
>

It does look nice and it looks like IBM put a lot into it.

I'm in favor of including it.

Thanks for bring it up.

Best regards,
Carl


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Peter Kovacs-3
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+1

Am 11. August 2018 17:13:52 MESZ schrieb Andrea Pescetti <[hidden email]>:

>On 10/08/2018 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>>>>
>>> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
>>> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
>>> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
>>> downloaded for free.
>>
>> OK, point taken.
>
>It could still be a good exercise to add it to trunk as a test, so that
>
>we can check what the size increase actually is and revisit that part
>of
>OpenOffice. Then, if there is no special benefit and the size increase
>is too much, we can always remove it, but I see some value (meaning:
>some knowledge gain) in trying even if in the end we decide not to keep
>it.
>
>Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Marcus (OOo)
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Am 11.08.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

> On 10/08/2018 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>>>>
>>> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
>>> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
>>> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
>>> downloaded for free.
>>
>> OK, point taken.
>
> It could still be a good exercise to add it to trunk as a test, so that
> we can check what the size increase actually is and revisit that part of
> OpenOffice. Then, if there is no special benefit and the size increase
> is too much, we can always remove it, but I see some value (meaning:
> some knowledge gain) in trying even if in the end we decide not to keep it.

for testing purpose What-Happens-If... it would be OK also for me.

However, even when it's just a few megabytes I don't see any real need
when we keep the font in the repo. Please note: It's always starting
with "just this", then other things come along ... and this ... and this
... ;-)

Marcus


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Marcus (OOo)
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Am 10.08.2018 um 03:41 schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On 8/9/18, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible with
>> the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new font
>> without any reason would just increase the install size about some
>> megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
>>
>   [...]
>
> I just downloaded TrueType.zip from the github project page,
> decompressed it to its own subfolder, and recompressed it to 7zip
> format using p7zip -mx9 (maximum compression). The resulting packaged
> size is 2MB
>
> 2MB doesn´t seem like a killer size increase to me...

sure, but where should we draw the line? At 5 or 10 MB? IMHO every
addition - that increases the install base - should have a reason.

Adding a font just because it's nice looking or compatible with our
license is not enough.

My 2 ct.

Marcus


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Peter Kovacs-2
What should a font bring to be worth added to Open Office?

Am 12. August 2018 11:40:07 MESZ schrieb Marcus <[hidden email]>:

>Am 10.08.2018 um 03:41 schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>> On 8/9/18, Marcus <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> even when it looks nice, is great with scaling and also compatible
>with
>>> the AL, I'm wondering what a good purpose could be? Adding a new
>font
>>> without any reason would just increase the install size about some
>>> megabytes (when I see this right at [1]).
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/IBM/plex/releases/tag/v1.1.3
>>>
>>   [...]
>>
>> I just downloaded TrueType.zip from the github project page,
>> decompressed it to its own subfolder, and recompressed it to 7zip
>> format using p7zip -mx9 (maximum compression). The resulting packaged
>> size is 2MB
>>
>> 2MB doesn´t seem like a killer size increase to me...
>
>sure, but where should we draw the line? At 5 or 10 MB? IMHO every
>addition - that increases the install base - should have a reason.
>
>Adding a font just because it's nice looking or compatible with our
>license is not enough.
>
>My 2 ct.
>
>Marcus
>
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Re: IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
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Hi Carl,

Am 11.08.2018 um 19:24 schrieb Carl Marcum:

> Hi Matthias,
>
>
> On 08/09/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> IBM Plex font [1] is a real nice looking font type.
>>
>> Apart from that, it is now dual-licensed under OFL and Apache
>> license. [2]
>>
>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>> [2] https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-411801246
>>
>>
>
> It does look nice and it looks like IBM put a lot into it.
Yes, and they are constantly improving it...

Regards,
   Matthias

>
> I'm in favor of including it.
>
> Thanks for bring it up.
>
> Best regards,
> Carl
>
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Matthias Seidel
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Am 11.08.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

> On 10/08/2018 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>>>>
>>> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
>>> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
>>> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
>>> downloaded for free.
>>
>> OK, point taken.
>
> It could still be a good exercise to add it to trunk as a test, so
> that we can check what the size increase actually is and revisit that
> part of OpenOffice. Then, if there is no special benefit and the size
> increase is too much, we can always remove it, but I see some value
> (meaning: some knowledge gain) in trying even if in the end we decide
> not to keep it.
That would be a Category A font?
I will try to include it in one of my "personal" builds...

Regards,
   Matthias

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: IBM Plex font

jonathon-3
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On 2018-08-09 7:15 p.m., Howard Cary Morris wrote:

> It would seem to me that we should  limit fonts to those on the user’s computer plus those we can load from google (provided the internet is up). That would be simplest with least overhead. (Any  other font available via internet would also be OK.) Drawback, if when the user re-edits the file, the internet or site is down might cause some problems.

One of the virtues of extensions, is that they can be constructed to
automatically install fonts that can be utilised by AOo. As such, why
not create an extension for this, or any other font that is proposed.

The biggest issue with extensions delivering fonts, is that font
families can be huge. NoTo Font Family clocks in at just under 1.1 GB in
size.  Granted, this is an exception, because it attempts to cover every
glyph in Unicode 6.0 (I say attempts to, because some glyphs in Unicode
6.0 are arguably missing.)

jonathon




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Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie)
Reasonable. During installation we could suggest installing fonts with the choice of a) yes, b) no, or c) customize (choose from a list of fonts to install). Drawbacks: May slow down installation if user doesn’t see the message. May draw suspicion from user we are trying to install something they did’t ask for. Hmm, it might be better to put choice on download page.



Howard



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On 2018-08-09 7:15 p.m., Howard Cary Morris wrote:

> It would seem to me that we should  limit fonts to those on the user’s computer plus those we can load from google (provided the internet is up). That would be simplest with least overhead. (Any  other font available via internet would also be OK.) Drawback, if when the user re-edits the file, the internet or site is down might cause some problems.

One of the virtues of extensions, is that they can be constructed to
automatically install fonts that can be utilised by AOo. As such, why
not create an extension for this, or any other font that is proposed.

The biggest issue with extensions delivering fonts, is that font
families can be huge. NoTo Font Family clocks in at just under 1.1 GB in
size.  Granted, this is an exception, because it attempts to cover every
glyph in Unicode 6.0 (I say attempts to, because some glyphs in Unicode
6.0 are arguably missing.)

jonathon




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Re: IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
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Hi Jonathan,

Am 14.08.2018 um 19:30 schrieb toki:
> On 2018-08-09 7:15 p.m., Howard Cary Morris wrote:
>
>> It would seem to me that we should  limit fonts to those on the user’s computer plus those we can load from google (provided the internet is up). That would be simplest with least overhead. (Any  other font available via internet would also be OK.) Drawback, if when the user re-edits the file, the internet or site is down might cause some problems.
> One of the virtues of extensions, is that they can be constructed to
> automatically install fonts that can be utilised by AOo. As such, why
> not create an extension for this, or any other font that is proposed.

+1 for building an extension.

Regards,
   Matthias

>
> The biggest issue with extensions delivering fonts, is that font
> families can be huge. NoTo Font Family clocks in at just under 1.1 GB in
> size.  Granted, this is an exception, because it attempts to cover every
> glyph in Unicode 6.0 (I say attempts to, because some glyphs in Unicode
> 6.0 are arguably missing.)
>
> jonathon
>
>
>
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Re: IBM Plex font

Matthias Seidel
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Well, IBM Legal just pulled the Apache License:

https://github.com/IBM/plex/issues/190#issuecomment-414718805

Still it is a nice font and I like the idea of creating an extension.

Regards,

   Matthias


Am 13.08.2018 um 18:35 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Am 11.08.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> On 10/08/2018 Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Am 10.08.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>>> On 8/9/2018 11:55 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>> I am wondering if we could include it in OpenOffice?
>>>>> [1] https://www.ibm.com/plex/
>>>>>
>>>> My question would be like Marcus's; What purpose are we serving by
>>>> adding it to the distribution. I already  have a plethora of fonts
>>>> installed that I will never use. If someone wants it it can be
>>>> downloaded for free.
>>> OK, point taken.
>> It could still be a good exercise to add it to trunk as a test, so
>> that we can check what the size increase actually is and revisit that
>> part of OpenOffice. Then, if there is no special benefit and the size
>> increase is too much, we can always remove it, but I see some value
>> (meaning: some knowledge gain) in trying even if in the end we decide
>> not to keep it.
> That would be a Category A font?
> I will try to include it in one of my "personal" builds...
>
> Regards,
>    Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
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