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Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Michel Weimerskirch
Hi

After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
to work with OOo3.01RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
appears when I paste text from websites. In the attached screenshot
the upper window contains the text pasted directly from the website,
the lower window contains the text pasted as "unformated text". In the
first window the markings are way off their correct position. The
second window with the unformated text looks perfect. Does anybody
have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe some hidden control
characters that need special handling?

Regards,
Michel


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Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Michel Weimerskirch
.Hi

After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
appears when I paste text from websites. See
http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png

In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
"unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
some hidden control characters that need special handling?

Regards,
Michel


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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Marcin Miłkowski
Hi,

they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.

The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and
compare two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and
field codes (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in
positions.

Regards
Marcin

Michel Weimerskirch pisze:

> .Hi
>
> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
> appears when I paste text from websites. See
> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>
> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>
> Regards,
> Michel
>
>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Michel Weimerskirch
Hi

thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.

Regards,
Michel

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
>
> The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
> two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
> (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
>
> Regards
> Marcin
>
> Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
>>
>> .Hi
>>
>> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
>> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
>> appears when I paste text from websites. See
>> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>>
>> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
>> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
>> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
>> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
>> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
>> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michel
>>
>>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Marcin Miłkowski
Hi,

you're welcome. You see, if you were adding just another language to LanguageTool, you wouldn't have to spend two nights without sleep as we have already solved these problems :)

Regards
Marcin


Dnia 14 stycznia 2009 19:23 "Michel Weimerskirch" <[hidden email]> napisał(a):

> Hi
>
> thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
> works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.
>
> Regards,
> Michel
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
> >
> > The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
> > two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
> > (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
> >
> > Regards
> > Marcin
> >
> > Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
> >>
> >> .Hi
> >>
> >> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
> >> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
> >> appears when I paste text from websites. See
> >> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
> >>
> >> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
> >> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
> >> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
> >> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
> >> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
> >> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Michel
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Michel Weimerskirch
Hi

Well, you might be right, but now that it works I'm very happy that I
implemented it by myself, because now I can let it run under the label
of Spellchecker.lu, where I develop and publish an open source spell
checking dictionary for OOo. And actually it wasn't *that* difficult.
I built the component using the NetBeans wizard, which was pretty
nice. Also, NetBeans has excellent debugging capabilities for
OpenOffice components.

Regards,
Michel

On 1/14/09, Marcin Miłkowski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  you're welcome. You see, if you were adding just another language to LanguageTool, you wouldn't have to spend two nights without sleep as we have already solved these problems :)
>
>  Regards
>  Marcin
>
>
>  Dnia 14 stycznia 2009 19:23 "Michel Weimerskirch" <[hidden email]> napisał(a):
>
>
>  > Hi
>  >
>  > thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
>  > works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Michel
>  >
>
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski  wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
>  > >
>  > > The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
>  > > two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
>  > > (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
>  > >
>  > > Regards
>  > > Marcin
>  > >
>  > > Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
>  > >>
>  > >> .Hi
>  > >>
>  > >> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
>  > >> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
>  > >> appears when I paste text from websites. See
>  > >> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>  > >>
>  > >> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
>  > >> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
>  > >> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
>  > >> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
>  > >> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
>  > >> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>  > >>
>  > >> Regards,
>  > >> Michel
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Mathias Bauer
Hi Michel,

that sounds execellent. Do you plan to write a blog or something else
about that somewhere?

Of course we are glad to hear that our Grammar Checking API obviously
has worked for you and that our NetBeans plugin was a nice experience. :-)

Regards,
Mathias

Michel Weimerskirch wrote:

> Hi
>
> Well, you might be right, but now that it works I'm very happy that I
> implemented it by myself, because now I can let it run under the label
> of Spellchecker.lu, where I develop and publish an open source spell
> checking dictionary for OOo. And actually it wasn't *that* difficult.
> I built the component using the NetBeans wizard, which was pretty
> nice. Also, NetBeans has excellent debugging capabilities for
> OpenOffice components.
>
> Regards,
> Michel
>
> On 1/14/09, Marcin Miłkowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  you're welcome. You see, if you were adding just another language to LanguageTool, you wouldn't have to spend two nights without sleep as we have already solved these problems :)
>>
>>  Regards
>>  Marcin
>>
>>
>>  Dnia 14 stycznia 2009 19:23 "Michel Weimerskirch" <[hidden email]> napisał(a):
>>
>>
>>  > Hi
>>  >
>>  > thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
>>  > works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.
>>  >
>>  > Regards,
>>  > Michel
>>  >
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski  wrote:
>>  > > Hi,
>>  > >
>>  > > they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
>>  > >
>>  > > The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
>>  > > two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
>>  > > (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
>>  > >
>>  > > Regards
>>  > > Marcin
>>  > >
>>  > > Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
>>  > >>
>>  > >> .Hi
>>  > >>
>>  > >> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
>>  > >> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
>>  > >> appears when I paste text from websites. See
>>  > >> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>>  > >>
>>  > >> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
>>  > >> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
>>  > >> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
>>  > >> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
>>  > >> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
>>  > >> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>>  > >>
>>  > >> Regards,
>>  > >> Michel
>>  > >>
>>  > >>
>>  > >>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

thomas.lange
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Hi Michel!


Michel Weimerskirch wrote:

> Hi
>
> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
> to work with OOo3.01RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
> appears when I paste text from websites. In the attached screenshot
> the upper window contains the text pasted directly from the website,
> the lower window contains the text pasted as "unformated text". In the
> first window the markings are way off their correct position. The
> second window with the unformated text looks perfect. Does anybody
> have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe some hidden control
> characters that need special handling?

Have a look for the following chaarcters:

- the Unicode soft-hyphen character needs to be ignored by your application

- the 0x00 and 0x01 characters have special meaning since they denote
fields in the text. Most of them should already be replaced by the
actual text when your implementation gets called.
If it happens that there are still some left you may
a) Write an issue
and
b) for the time being need to take care of them on your own.

Since the difference between those characters is that one is used fpr
breaking-fields and the other for non-breaking-fields (I always mess up
which char is for which type ^^°) you should probably simplay replace
one sort by a space, and for the other one removinmg that char si
probably the better choice.

Regards,
Thomas

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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Michel Weimerskirch
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Hi Mathias,

> that sounds execellent. Do you plan to write a blog or something else
> about that somewhere?
I was thinking about writing something for my blog this weekend if I
get the time. Is there a topic you would be specifically interested
in?

> Of course we are glad to hear that our Grammar Checking API obviously
> has worked for you and that our NetBeans plugin was a nice experience. :-)
You're welcome. :-)

Regards,
Michel

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mathias Bauer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Michel,
>
> that sounds execellent. Do you plan to write a blog or something else
> about that somewhere?
>
> Of course we are glad to hear that our Grammar Checking API obviously
> has worked for you and that our NetBeans plugin was a nice experience. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Mathias
>
> Michel Weimerskirch wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Well, you might be right, but now that it works I'm very happy that I
>> implemented it by myself, because now I can let it run under the label
>> of Spellchecker.lu, where I develop and publish an open source spell
>> checking dictionary for OOo. And actually it wasn't *that* difficult.
>> I built the component using the NetBeans wizard, which was pretty
>> nice. Also, NetBeans has excellent debugging capabilities for
>> OpenOffice components.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michel
>>
>> On 1/14/09, Marcin Miłkowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>  you're welcome. You see, if you were adding just another language to LanguageTool, you wouldn't have to spend two nights without sleep as we have already solved these problems :)
>>>
>>>  Regards
>>>  Marcin
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dnia 14 stycznia 2009 19:23 "Michel Weimerskirch" <[hidden email]> napisał(a):
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Hi
>>>  >
>>>  > thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
>>>  > works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.
>>>  >
>>>  > Regards,
>>>  > Michel
>>>  >
>>>
>>> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski  wrote:
>>>  > > Hi,
>>>  > >
>>>  > > they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
>>>  > >
>>>  > > The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
>>>  > > two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
>>>  > > (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Regards
>>>  > > Marcin
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> .Hi
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
>>>  > >> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
>>>  > >> appears when I paste text from websites. See
>>>  > >> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
>>>  > >> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
>>>  > >> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
>>>  > >> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
>>>  > >> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
>>>  > >> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Regards,
>>>  > >> Michel
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
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Re: Issue with the new grammar checking framework

Mathias Bauer
Hi Michel,

>From the beginning the GC Framework was a project of the kind "that's
not our area of expertise, so let's make an API for others to plug in".
We wanted to make the API as simple as possible, especially we wanted to
bring it into the working space of the target developers where strings,
sentences and plain, simple paragraphs are used and not the very complex
and hierarchical text structurew and API of OOo (that of course is
necessary for many other things).

With two extensions nearly done and another one in the making just when
the API is finalized I think that things went better than we could expect!

I'm planning to get something into our blog also. Pointing to existing
implementations or reports about working on them would be nice.

Regards,
Mathias

Michel Weimerskirch wrote:

> Hi Mathias,
>
>> that sounds execellent. Do you plan to write a blog or something else
>> about that somewhere?
> I was thinking about writing something for my blog this weekend if I
> get the time. Is there a topic you would be specifically interested
> in?
>
>> Of course we are glad to hear that our Grammar Checking API obviously
>> has worked for you and that our NetBeans plugin was a nice experience. :-)
> You're welcome. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Michel
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Mathias Bauer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Michel,
>>
>> that sounds execellent. Do you plan to write a blog or something else
>> about that somewhere?
>>
>> Of course we are glad to hear that our Grammar Checking API obviously
>> has worked for you and that our NetBeans plugin was a nice experience. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mathias
>>
>> Michel Weimerskirch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Well, you might be right, but now that it works I'm very happy that I
>>> implemented it by myself, because now I can let it run under the label
>>> of Spellchecker.lu, where I develop and publish an open source spell
>>> checking dictionary for OOo. And actually it wasn't *that* difficult.
>>> I built the component using the NetBeans wizard, which was pretty
>>> nice. Also, NetBeans has excellent debugging capabilities for
>>> OpenOffice components.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Michel
>>>
>>> On 1/14/09, Marcin Miłkowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  you're welcome. You see, if you were adding just another language to LanguageTool, you wouldn't have to spend two nights without sleep as we have already solved these problems :)
>>>>
>>>>  Regards
>>>>  Marcin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Dnia 14 stycznia 2009 19:23 "Michel Weimerskirch" <[hidden email]> napisał(a):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > Hi
>>>>  >
>>>>  > thank you for your answer. My tokenizer was ignoring line breaks. It
>>>>  > works perfectly now. I'm going to release a beta in a few days.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Regards,
>>>>  > Michel
>>>>  >
>>>>
>>>> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Marcin Miłkowski  wrote:
>>>>  > > Hi,
>>>>  > >
>>>>  > > they're not hidden, look again at these grey things on the screen.
>>>>  > >
>>>>  > > The best thing to do is to log all paragraph text to a text file and compare
>>>>  > > two versions. OOo sends standard hard spaces, soft hyphens and field codes
>>>>  > > (Unicode 0x01, 0x02). These are counted as normal chars in positions.
>>>>  > >
>>>>  > > Regards
>>>>  > > Marcin
>>>>  > >
>>>>  > > Michel Weimerskirch pisze:
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >> .Hi
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >> After two long nights I finally got the new grammar checking framework
>>>>  > >> to work with OOo3.0.1RC2. However, there is an annoying issue that
>>>>  > >> appears when I paste text from websites. See
>>>>  > >> http://michel.weimerskirch.net/grammar.png
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >> In the screenshot, the upper window contains the text pasted directly
>>>>  > >> from the website, the lower window contains the text pasted as
>>>>  > >> "unformated text". In the first window the markings are way off their
>>>>  > >> correct position. The second window with the unformated text looks
>>>>  > >> perfect. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? Maybe
>>>>  > >> some hidden control characters that need special handling?
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >> Regards,
>>>>  > >> Michel
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >>
>>>>  > >>
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