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Mac buildbot available?

Peter Kovacs-3
Hi all,

I just read following on https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html

*NEW* - OSX Apple XServe Slave

This sounds cool!
Would this help us?

All the best
Peter

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Re: Mac buildbot available?

Damjan Jovanovic
Hopefully. Does Xserve provide the graphical libraries (Aqua, Quartz,
etc.)? Weren't XServes discontinued years ago?


On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:47 PM Peter kovacs <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just read following on https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html
>
> *NEW* - OSX Apple XServe Slave
>
> This sounds cool!
> Would this help us?
>
> All the best
> Peter
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Re: Mac buildbot available?

Peter Kovacs-3
I do not know. Looping in the builds mailing List to the OpenOffice dev mailing list discussion.

If the server do not have the graphical libraries, is it possible to install a VM on Top of the Apple server?
App allows that MacOS runs in a VM a long as Apple Hardware is used.

Thanks!


Am 30. August 2018 03:40:30 MESZ schrieb Damjan Jovanovic <[hidden email]>:

>Hopefully. Does Xserve provide the graphical libraries (Aqua, Quartz,
>etc.)? Weren't XServes discontinued years ago?
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:47 PM Peter kovacs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just read following on https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html
>>
>> *NEW* - OSX Apple XServe Slave
>>
>> This sounds cool!
>> Would this help us?
>>
>> All the best
>> Peter
>>
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Re: Mac buildbot available?

Gavin McDonald-3
Hi,

Apologies for giving false hope here, but that page is years out of date, I
will update it shortly, but to
confirm, we do not have any macs at the ASF.

Gav...


On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:39 PM Peter kovacs <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I do not know. Looping in the builds mailing List to the OpenOffice dev
> mailing list discussion.
>
> If the server do not have the graphical libraries, is it possible to
> install a VM on Top of the Apple server?
> App allows that MacOS runs in a VM a long as Apple Hardware is used.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Am 30. August 2018 03:40:30 MESZ schrieb Damjan Jovanovic <
> [hidden email]>:
> >Hopefully. Does Xserve provide the graphical libraries (Aqua, Quartz,
> >etc.)? Weren't XServes discontinued years ago?
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:47 PM Peter kovacs <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I just read following on https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html
> >>
> >> *NEW* - OSX Apple XServe Slave
> >>
> >> This sounds cool!
> >> Would this help us?
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> Peter
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Proposal for adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Pedro Lino-3
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Hi all

I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo vector file.

Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris Rottensteiner .

Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.

This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author expected (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf) it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.

An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg

After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM

Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/

Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)

This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the fonts installed.


TL:DR

Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg

as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file


Best regards,

Pedro
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Re: Proposal for adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Dave Fisher
You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone to object.

I’m +1 for pure shapes and no text. Maybe comment inline each glyph.

Regards,
Dave

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> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo vector file.
>
> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris Rottensteiner .
>
> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>
> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author expected (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf) it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>
> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>
> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>
> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>
> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>
> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the fonts installed.
>
>
> TL:DR
>
> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>
> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pedro


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Lazy consensus on adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Pedro Lino-3
Hi Dave, all

> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone to object.

Thanks!

As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see explanation below).
If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed appropriately and used as the official vector file.
 
> I’m +1 for pure shapes and no text. Maybe comment inline each glyph.

I would prefer not to modify the file at this point. In any case this email and explanation are public.

Regards
Pedro

> > On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo vector file.
> >
> > Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris Rottensteiner .
> >
> > Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
> >
> > This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author expected (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf) it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
> >
> > An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
> >
> > After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
> >
> > Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
> >
> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
> >
> > Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
> >
> > This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the fonts installed.
> >
> >
> > TL:DR
> >
> > Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
> >
> > as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pedro
>
>
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Re: Lazy consensus on adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Matthias Seidel
Hi Pedro,

Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Dave, all
>
>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone to object.
> Thanks!
>
> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see explanation below).
> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed appropriately and used as the official vector file.

Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...

My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
"white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.

See:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt

My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
converting the TM to paths.

Regards,
   Matthias

>  
>> I’m +1 for pure shapes and no text. Maybe comment inline each glyph.
> I would prefer not to modify the file at this point. In any case this email and explanation are public.
>
> Regards
> Pedro
>
>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo vector file.
>>>
>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris Rottensteiner .
>>>
>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>
>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author expected (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf) it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>
>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>
>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>
>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>
>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>
>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the fonts installed.
>>>
>>>
>>> TL:DR
>>>
>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>
>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Pedro
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Re: Lazy consensus on adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Peter Kovacs-3
Hi all,

I agree that the "TM" displacement should be fixed. However I do not see that we have to change something to the design.
So is it possible to change the original with something that would enhance the situation without changing other attributes?
All the best
Peter

Am 31. August 2018 15:48:46 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]>:

>Hi Pedro,
>
>Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Dave, all
>>
>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone
>to object.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file
>http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see
>explanation below).
>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed
>appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>
>Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>
>My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
>It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
>"white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>
>See:
>https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>
>My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>converting the TM to paths.
>
>Regards,
>   Matthias
>
>>  
>>> I’m +1 for pure shapes and no text. Maybe comment inline each glyph.
>> I would prefer not to modify the file at this point. In any case this
>email and explanation are public.
>>
>> Regards
>> Pedro
>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to
>request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo
>vector file.
>>>>
>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris
>Rottensteiner .
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the
>Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR
>(http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the
>same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>
>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author
>expected
>(http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf)
>it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>
>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>
>>>>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>
>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual
>SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>
>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be
>used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why
>the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>
>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM
>part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>
>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees
>that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the
>fonts installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TL:DR
>>>>
>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file
>http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>
>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pedro
>>>
>>>
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Re: Lazy consensus on adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Matthias Seidel
Hi Peter,

Am 31.08.2018 um 16:17 schrieb Peter kovacs:
> Hi all,
>
> I agree that the "TM" displacement should be fixed. However I do not see that we have to change something to the design.
> So is it possible to change the original with something that would enhance the situation without changing other attributes?

This is exactly what I suggested?

Regards,
   Matthias

> All the best
> Peter
>
> Am 31. August 2018 15:48:46 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi Pedro,
>>
>> Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Hi Dave, all
>>>
>>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone
>> to object.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see
>> explanation below).
>>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed
>> appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>>
>> Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>>
>> My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
>> It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
>> "white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>>
>> See:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>>
>> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>> converting the TM to paths.
>>
>> Regards,
>>    Matthias
>>
>>>  
>>>> I’m +1 for pure shapes and no text. Maybe comment inline each glyph.
>>> I would prefer not to modify the file at this point. In any case this
>> email and explanation are public.
>>> Regards
>>> Pedro
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to
>> request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo
>> vector file.
>>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris
>> Rottensteiner .
>>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the
>> Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR
>> (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the
>> same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author
>> expected
>> (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf)
>> it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual
>> SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be
>> used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why
>> the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>>
>>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM
>> part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees
>> that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the
>> fonts installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> TL:DR
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pedro
>>>>
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Re: Lazy consensus on adoption of corrected Apache OpenOffice logo file

Marcus (OOo)
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Am 31.08.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>
>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone to object.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see explanation below).
>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>
> Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>
> My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
> It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
> "white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>
> See:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>
> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
> converting the TM to paths.

+1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.

Marcus



>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice logo vector file.
>>>>
>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris Rottensteiner .
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>
>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the author expected (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf) it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>
>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>
>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>
>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>
>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>
>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the fonts installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TL:DR
>>>>
>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>
>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pedro


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Matthias Seidel
Hi Marcus,

Am 02.09.2018 um 10:04 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 31.08.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>
>>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone
>>>> to object.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see
>>> explanation below).
>>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed
>>> appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>>
>> Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>>
>> My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
>> It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
>> "white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>>
>> See:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>>
>>
>> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>> converting the TM to paths.
>
> +1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.
I just uploaded a "fixed" version. The only change is that the TM, which
was in fact a text object (Source Sans Pro Light) is now converted to
paths. This version should now display correct for everyone.

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_plain_fixed_TM.svg

I had Source Sans Pro installed for some time, so I didn't see a
difference... ;-)

Matthias

>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to
>>>>> request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice
>>>>> logo vector file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris
>>>>> Rottensteiner .
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the
>>>>> Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by
>>>>> ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/
>>>>> ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>>
>>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the
>>>>> author expected
>>>>> (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf)
>>>>> it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the
>>>>> actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be
>>>>> used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason
>>>>> why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>>
>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>>
>>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM
>>>>> part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>>
>>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees
>>>>> that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the
>>>>> fonts installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TL:DR
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>>
>>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pedro
>
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Marcus (OOo)
Am 02.09.2018 um 10:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Am 02.09.2018 um 10:04 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 31.08.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>
>>>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone
>>>>> to object.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file
>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see
>>>> explanation below).
>>>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed
>>>> appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>>>
>>> Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>>>
>>> My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
>>> It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
>>> "white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>>>
>>> See:
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>>> converting the TM to paths.
>>
>> +1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.
>
> I just uploaded a "fixed" version. The only change is that the TM, which
> was in fact a text object (Source Sans Pro Light) is now converted to
> paths. This version should now display correct for everyone.
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_plain_fixed_TM.svg
>
> I had Source Sans Pro installed for some time, so I didn't see a
> difference... ;-)

thanks for the quick fix.

The graphic is displayed, all text is readable, scaling/zooming is
great. So, when there is no other problem let's use this graphic a
offical one. Of course a better file name should be used to make it more
clear.

Marcus

>
> Matthias
>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to
>>>>>> request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> logo vector file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris
>>>>>> Rottensteiner .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the
>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by
>>>>>> ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/
>>>>>> ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the
>>>>>> author expected
>>>>>> (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf)
>>>>>> it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the
>>>>>> actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be
>>>>>> used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason
>>>>>> why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM
>>>>>> part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees
>>>>>> that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the
>>>>>> fonts installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TL:DR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file
>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pedro


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Pedro Lino-3
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Hi Matthias, all


> On September 2, 2018 at 9:36 AM Matthias Seidel <[hidden email] mailto:[hidden email] > wrote:
>
>     >> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>     >> converting the TM to paths.
>     >
>
>         > > +1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.
> >
> >     >     I just uploaded a "fixed" version. The only change is that the TM, which
>     was in fact a text object (Source Sans Pro Light) is now converted to
>     paths. This version should now display correct for everyone.
>
>     http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_plain_fixed_TM.svg
>
>     I had Source Sans Pro installed for some time, so I didn't see a
>     difference... ;-)
>


Aha! Now I see what you meant by whitespace :) I think it is not that useful but I agree that this follows the original author's proposal more closely.

So let's start again the 72h Lazy Consensus period based on this fixed image.

If there are no objections to this file, it will be used as the official vector file


From my end (for what it's worth) +1 on this file


Regards,

Pedro
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Marcus (OOo)
Am 02.09.2018 um 11:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:

>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:36 AM Matthias Seidel <[hidden email] mailto:[hidden email] > wrote:
>>
>>      >> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>>      >> converting the TM to paths.
>>      >
>>
>>          > > +1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.
>>>
>>>      >     I just uploaded a "fixed" version. The only change is that the TM, which
>>      was in fact a text object (Source Sans Pro Light) is now converted to
>>      paths. This version should now display correct for everyone.
>>
>>      http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_plain_fixed_TM.svg
>>
>>      I had Source Sans Pro installed for some time, so I didn't see a
>>      difference... ;-)
>
> Aha! Now I see what you meant by whitespace :) I think it is not that useful but I agree that this follows the original author's proposal more closely.
>
> So let's start again the 72h Lazy Consensus period based on this fixed image.
>
> If there are no objections to this file, it will be used as the official vector file
>
>
>  From my end (for what it's worth) +1 on this file

OK, as lazy consensus is asked for no need to add my +1, too.

Arrgh, to late. :-P

Marcus


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Matthias Seidel
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Hi all,

Am 02.09.2018 um 10:48 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 02.09.2018 um 10:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 02.09.2018 um 10:04 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 31.08.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Am 31.08.2018 um 01:09 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On August 30, 2018 at 11:17 PM Dave Fisher <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You can ask for Lazy Consensus on this and give 72 hours for anyone
>>>>>> to object.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> As suggested, I'm asking for Lazy Consensus on the adoption of file
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>>
>>>>> as the official vector file for the Apache OpenOffice logo (see
>>>>> explanation below).
>>>>> If after 72 hours there are no objections, the file will be renamed
>>>>> appropriately and used as the official vector file.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, if I am late to this discussion...
>>>>
>>>> My graphic was never meant to replace the official one.
>>>> It was more or less a proof of concept and it does not respect the
>>>> "white" space intentionally designed by Chris Rottensteiner.
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/ChrisR_Notes.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion would rather be to "fix" the existing graphic by only
>>>> converting the TM to paths.
>>>
>>> +1 for fixing the original one, instead of creating just a new graphic.
>>
>> I just uploaded a "fixed" version. The only change is that the TM, which
>> was in fact a text object (Source Sans Pro Light) is now converted to
>> paths. This version should now display correct for everyone.
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_plain_fixed_TM.svg
>>
>>
>> I had Source Sans Pro installed for some time, so I didn't see a
>> difference... ;-)
>
> thanks for the quick fix.
>
> The graphic is displayed, all text is readable, scaling/zooming is
> great. So, when there is no other problem let's use this graphic a
> offical one. Of course a better file name should be used to make it
> more clear.
I just uploaded a fixed SVG of our logo with version number:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4_fixed_TM.svg

Rename it as you like! ;-)

Matthias

>
> Marcus
>
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Pedro Lino <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what is the appropriate procedure but would like to
>>>>>>> request a vote for the adoption of a corrected Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>>> logo vector file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of you are aware that the current logo was created by Chris
>>>>>>> Rottensteiner .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately all of the logos in vector format archived in the
>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice (or at least all that I could find) left by
>>>>>>> ChrisR (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/
>>>>>>> ) have the same problem: the TM part is a text object.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This means that editing or viewing the SVG only looks as the
>>>>>>> author expected
>>>>>>> (http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_with_4.pdf)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it if the user's computer has font Source Sans Pro Light installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An easy way to see this is to click on the AOO logo at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apache_OpenOffice_logo_and_wordmark_(2014).svg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After clicking on the expected logo as PNG you will open the
>>>>>>> actual SVG which will be showing a wrong TM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because of this small defect, there is no perfect SVG that can be
>>>>>>> used as Apache OpenOffice's official logo, and that is the reason
>>>>>>> why the current official logo available to Apache is a PDF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luckily user Matthias Seidel has fixed this by converting the TM
>>>>>>> part to paths (as ChrisR did for the rest of the text)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This does NOT change the artwork in any way. It just guarantees
>>>>>>> that the vector logo looks the same under any OS regardless of the
>>>>>>> fonts installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TL:DR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore I would like to propose a vote to approve file
>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/AOO4/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_unofficial_mseidel_fixed_TM.svg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as the Apache OpenOffice official vector logo file
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pedro
>
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