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Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Aivaras Stepukonis
The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not a
problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation does
contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do anything
about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore them?

Regards,

Aivaras


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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Mechtilde Stehmann-2
Hello Aivaras,

thanks for your translation work.

I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.

We can do a test build. Matthias on Windows and/or me on Linux. Then you
can test it.

and the you can see which letter should get the Acceleration. Each
letter should be only once used as an accelerator in on part of a menu.

Kind regards


Am 16.02.20 um 17:17 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

> The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
> result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
> problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
> building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not a
> problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation does
> contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do anything
> about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore them?
>
> Regards,
>
> Aivaras
>
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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Aivaras Stepukonis
Mechtilde, thank you for your work, too!

I'm on Windows. Matthias, when are you planning to do the next batch of
builds for Windows?

Regards,

Aivaras

2020-02-16 18:25, Mechtilde rašė:

> Hello Aivaras,
>
> thanks for your translation work.
>
> I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.
>
> We can do a test build. Matthias on Windows and/or me on Linux. Then you
> can test it.
>
> and the you can see which letter should get the Acceleration. Each
> letter should be only once used as an accelerator in on part of a menu.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Am 16.02.20 um 17:17 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>> The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
>> result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
>> problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
>> building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not a
>> problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation does
>> contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do anything
>> about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore them?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Aivaras
>>
>>
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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Matthias Seidel
Hi Aivaras,

Am 16.02.20 um 17:34 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
> Mechtilde, thank you for your work, too!
>
> I'm on Windows. Matthias, when are you planning to do the next batch
> of builds for Windows?

After the lt translation is committed.

Monday evening would be perfect for me to start. Upload would then be on
Tuesday.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
>
> Aivaras
>
> 2020-02-16 18:25, Mechtilde rašė:
>> Hello Aivaras,
>>
>> thanks for your translation work.
>>
>> I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.
>>
>> We can do a test build. Matthias on Windows and/or me on Linux. Then you
>> can test it.
>>
>> and the you can see which letter should get the Acceleration. Each
>> letter should be only once used as an accelerator in on part of a menu.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Am 16.02.20 um 17:17 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>>> The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
>>> result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
>>> problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
>>> building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not a
>>> problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation does
>>> contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do anything
>>> about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore them?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Aivaras
>>>
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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Maciej Jaros-2
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Aivaras Stepukonis (2020-02-16 17:17):
> The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
> result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
> problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
> building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not
> a problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation
> does contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do
> anything about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore
> them?


I think this is a bug in new Pootle. I mean that missing accelerators
shouldn't be marked as critical errors.

 From what I've seen Polish translation doesn't contain accelerator in
many cases yet GUI is showing an underline.

So I would rather have the accelerator shown only as a warning in
Pootle. IMHO in most cases adding accelerators is a waste of time (as I
would have to review all translations to add a unique accel and accels
in anything but main menu doesn't really make sense -- there is just no
way you can remember them).

Cheers,
Maciej Nux Jaros.

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Aivaras Stepukonis
Agreed. In fact, the question is whether we need accelerator keys at all
in the text of a pre-build translation if they get inserted
automatically at a later stage anyway.

The text would be much cleaner without the tilde (breaking words,
impeding spell-checking, and making search more difficult).

Regards,

Aivaras

2020-02-16 23:40, Maciej Jaros rašė:

> Aivaras Stepukonis (2020-02-16 17:17):
>> The LT translation does not contain the accelerator mark-up (~). As a
>> result, Pootle throws 3 250 errors. I was told years ago it's not a
>> problem since accelerators are automatically inserted during the
>> building of the program from its source code. That it is actually not
>> a problem is further attested by the fact that the LT installation
>> does contain all the accelerators. My question is this: should I do
>> anything about the critical errors in Pootle or should I just ignore
>> them?
>
>
> I think this is a bug in new Pootle. I mean that missing accelerators
> shouldn't be marked as critical errors.
>
> From what I've seen Polish translation doesn't contain accelerator in
> many cases yet GUI is showing an underline.
>
> So I would rather have the accelerator shown only as a warning in
> Pootle. IMHO in most cases adding accelerators is a waste of time (as
> I would have to review all translations to add a unique accel and
> accels in anything but main menu doesn't really make sense -- there is
> just no way you can remember them).
>
> Cheers,
> Maciej Nux Jaros.
>
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Maciej Jaros-2
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Mechtilde (2020-02-16 17:25):
> Hello Aivaras,
>
> thanks for your translation work.
>
> I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.
>
I've remembered an example. This didn't contain an accelerator:
Locations: optgdlg.src#OFA_TP_LANGUAGES.CB_ASIANSUPPORT.checkbox.text

It was "Pokaż elementy interfac'u użytkownika dla języków
wschodnioazjatyckich"

Yet in GUI "P" was/is underlined. See e.g. bottom of this screen:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=86828

Cheers,
Nux.

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Re: Pootle – Fix critical errors – Accelerators – Please, add Accelerator

Andrea Pescetti-2
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Mechtilde wrote:
> I don't know anything about automatically inserted accelerations.

I confirm we have an algorithm that assigns accelerators automatically
when they are not specified.

The only drawback is that this way they won't be stable if new menu
items are introduced, meaning that adding a new menu item could cause
old accelerators to change.

This is a minor problem though, as in most cases one relies on the
keyboard shortcuts (CTRL-O, CTRL-S and so on) which are still stable,
and not on a sequence of accelerators.

In general, I think we can avoid accelerators in translations and rely
on the automatic assignment.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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