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Juergen Schmidt-3
Hi Kami,

sorry for the late response.


KAMI wrote:

> Ciao!
>
> Jürgen Schmidt írta:
>> Hi Kami,
>>
>> KAMI wrote:
>>> Dear Jürgen!
>>>
>>> Jürgen Schmidt írta:
>>>> Hi Kami,
>>>>
>>>> why did you create an own installation set
>>> I have created my own installation set because:
>>> - it is funny ;o)
>> great to here
>>
>>> - it makes OpenOffice.org more attractive compared to other
>>> (Commercial) suites. Other suites has more complete clipart, temlate,
>>> font colletion in the installer... (In case of OpenOffice.org Premium
>>> ~2400 clipart, ~80 impress background, ~60 temlpates, ~90 fonts, 40
>>> fontwork gallery element (already integrated), Bitstream vera
>>> replaced by Deja Vu (integration on the way)... I think
>>> OpenOffice.org Premium extras looks more shiny than original...
>>> - all-in-one solution makes the life easier (You do not have to
>>> download templates, fonts, clipart, fontwork gallery, documentation,
>>> OOo related materials, UNO components (LaTeX filter)) separetly, the
>>> install it.You get all thing via one click... Ideal way for beginners...
>>> - I enjoyed the work with your heplful collegues Ingo and Kai.
>> perfect, it seems that you like the work with the community and you
>> obviously has done a good job with all the new stuff for your
>> "premium" OO.org.
> I feel same :o) But I know We need to do more. The current objective of
> this project to be the part of main OpenOffice.org, so everybody can use
> our extras. I did and will do everything to make it happen as soon as
> possible. Localization support, apply of OpenOffice.org desing rules on
> OOo Premium... I know we need contributors, whom help out us with
> particular language translation, templates, documentums....
>>
>>>> and why didn't you provide your template collection to the OO.org
>>>> project directly.
>>> As far as I know the English and German templates are available via
>>> local language teams' homepage. Hungarian templates are available at
>>> hu.openoffice.org.
>>> OpenOffice Premium source (patcset for vanilla OOo) is available here:
>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod/
>> ok, i don't know the details exactly how the template stuff is
>> organized. But i think that there should be one place for all languages.
> I do agree...
>> One place with a set of templates, impress backgrounds ... where the
>> community has agreed that they should become the default in an
>> official OpenOffice.org distro.
> I still agree...
>> No differentiation between OpenOffice.org and a OpenOffice.org Premium
>> or others.
> I do not want to differ OpenOffic.org and OpenOffice.org Premium. I
> wopuld very happy if we decide to integrate OpenOffice.org Premium into
> OpenOffice.org project...
> I did steps to this direction...
> After we created Premium, we compiled binaries for linux and windows...
> Then shown it to the community. The Hungarian users really liked this
> idea (ide of integrated Premium versions), so we created international
> version - firstly en-US - and I hope we will have De version by the
> 2.0.3's time.
>>
>> Make it easy for our end users -->> one OpenOffice.org -->> no further
>> decision which distro of OpenOffice would be the best for me.
>>
>> Ok there are always reasons for having commercial products based on
>> OpenOffice.org. I mean especially support and service issues for
>> companies which are often bind to a commercial product and which from
>> my point of view is ok. But i personally as private user of
>> OpenOffice.org wouldn't really choose between different OpenOffice.org
>> versions.
>>
>>>
>>> So we didn't hide our work. What do you think where should we promote
>>> our templates?
>>>> That would have the benefit that the translation mechanisms on
>>>> OO.org can be used
>>> Translatig is not affecting templates just the additional
>>> installation parts, galleries, etc. Templates are created one by one
>>> for every language...
>> mmh, i think often the idea and structure of a template is important
> I agree - I think the origanl template stucture is good for start...
>> and if you have some kind of master template in English
> I mainly work on Hungarian templates, of course one day I might start to
> create also English templates. But for this I have top learn English at
> first.
>> for example other user can translate the template to other languages
>> as well but reusing the original idea, structure, macros, ...
> Yes! More complex documents must be more reusable. OOo community might
> start a document localization project to make more templates/macro based
> documents, utilities available for more and more languages.
>>
>>
>>>> and all OO.org versions would benefit of a better or bigger template
>>>> collection and better or more impress schemes.
>>> Of course everybody benefit from out collection because everybody can
>>> use the extras (as you saw they are available for public), but
>>> Premium - from my viewpoint - is one (or two) step forward because it
>>> integrates these extras into OpenOffice.org perfectly...
>> fine, and you can make the seconds step (installing OO.org Premium)
>> obsolete by integrating it in the offical OpenOffice.org build
> I have a good news for you! I already did taht step :o) I made it
> OpenOffice.org compatible as your engineers requested... I divided into
> four parts to make integration easier as Pavel requested. I filled
> issues about integration here:
>
> 62405 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Gallery (1/4)
> 62406 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Fonts (2/4)
> 62407 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Templates (3/4)
> 62408 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
> integration - Samples (4/4)
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408
>
> I think I can not do more for integration, can you?
>>
>>>
>>> Here is a snippet about OpenOffice.org Premium:
>>>
>>> OpenOffice.org Premium = OpenOffice.org + Extras
>>>
>>>
>>> OpenOffice.org Premium is a free and open source enhancement of
>>> official OpenOffice.org. The Hungarian Native Language Team has
>>> modified the source of OpenOffice.org and bundled lot of extras with
>>> it. Here are just a few of the extras you get with OpenOffice.org
>>> Premium:
>>>
>>>
>>> * Clip Art (currently more than 2,400 objects)
>>>
>>> * Templates (number varies by language)
>>>
>>> * Samples (number varies by language)
>>>
>>> * Documentation (if available)
>>>
>>> * Fonts (more than 90 fonts)
>>>
>>>
>>> OpenOffice.org Premium is based on the latest and greatest version of
>>> OpenOffice.org -- 2.0.2.
>>>
>>> You can download OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 from here:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium
>>>
>>>
>>> Current language versions:
>>>
>>> Hungarian (HU), English (EN-US)
>> the official build supports much more
> Yes, but do not forget there are few peoples behind the project...
> Currently doesn't mean maximal. Of course we support as many languages
> as original OpenOffice.org do, but we need someone who translate it into
> his own languages and also collect and order the templates...

That the reason why it can be helpful to put it on OpenOffice directly.
Probably more people will help.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Current platforms:
>>>
>>> Linux and Windows
>> the official build supports much more
> Sorry mister! We have only Windows and Linux machnies. This is the sad
> Hungarian reality :o( I am not a corporation, my resources are limited.
> I can't spend more money for Mac (PPC and Intel), Sparc and others...
... the reason as before, use the comunity

>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The modified source code can be downloaded here:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod
>>>
>>>
>>> (Current version is: OOo202Premium-step7.zip
>>> <ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod/OOo202Premium-step7.zip>
>>> )
>>>
>>>
>>> The modified source code is available for everyone. It has been
>>> changed to
>>>
>>> utilize all of OpenOffice.org features, including localization. If you'd
>>>
>>> like to help us improve OpenOffice.org Premium, here are a few of the
>>> ways
>>>
>>> you can get involved:
>>>
>>> * Translators - translate the resource files to your language and
>>> send it them back to me
>>> * Content creators/revisors - Send me templates and openoffice.org
>>> documentation (in OpenDocument Format) for your language. Collect as
>>> many as you can, but please keep out the poor, low quality content...
>>> Someone might recheck the English content of upcoming OpenOffice.org
>>> Premium 2.0.2 - It is only a sample.
>>> * Gallery submitters/coordinators/organisers - Send me a free
>>> galleries or images (mainly in vector based format) good quality
>>> SVG->WMF convertions may be interesting...
>>> * Builders - to build OpenOffice.org Premium with other language - I
>>> can do it, but I have only one machine and it is also for work
>>> * Programmers - to develop a new ideas, make it better
>>> * Voters - If you find it useful you can vote for integration:
>>>
>>> 62405 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>> integration - Gallery (1/4)
>>> 62406 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>> integration - Fonts (2/4)
>>> 62407 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>> integration - Templates (3/4)
>>> 62408 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>> integration - Samples (4/4)
>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408
>>
>> Thanks for sharing all this info here ...
>>
>> Juergen
> Not at all :o)
>
> Can you help me in the integration?
not directly. Templates etc. are not my area but i will see what i can do.

Juergen

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Re: OpenOffice.org Premium -- steps for 2.0.3

KAMI911
Jürgen Schmidt írta:
> Hi Kami,
>
> sorry for the late response.
Okay, I thing you have more to do than drop a line to me :o)

>
>
> KAMI wrote:
>> Ciao!
>>
>> Jürgen Schmidt írta:
>>> Hi Kami,
>>>
>>> KAMI wrote:
>>>> Dear Jürgen!
>>>>
>>>> Jürgen Schmidt írta:
>>>>> Hi Kami,
>>>>>
>>>>> why did you create an own installation set
>>>> I have created my own installation set because:
>>>> - it is funny ;o)
>>> great to here
>>>
>>>> - it makes OpenOffice.org more attractive compared to other
>>>> (Commercial) suites. Other suites has more complete clipart,
>>>> temlate, font colletion in the installer... (In case of
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium ~2400 clipart, ~80 impress background, ~60
>>>> temlpates, ~90 fonts, 40 fontwork gallery element (already
>>>> integrated), Bitstream vera replaced by Deja Vu (integration on the
>>>> way)... I think OpenOffice.org Premium extras looks more shiny than
>>>> original...
>>>> - all-in-one solution makes the life easier (You do not have to
>>>> download templates, fonts, clipart, fontwork gallery,
>>>> documentation, OOo related materials, UNO components (LaTeX
>>>> filter)) separetly, the install it.You get all thing via one
>>>> click... Ideal way for beginners...
>>>> - I enjoyed the work with your heplful collegues Ingo and Kai.
>>> perfect, it seems that you like the work with the community and you
>>> obviously has done a good job with all the new stuff for your
>>> "premium" OO.org.
>> I feel same :o) But I know We need to do more. The current objective
>> of this project to be the part of main OpenOffice.org, so everybody
>> can use our extras. I did and will do everything to make it happen as
>> soon as possible. Localization support, apply of OpenOffice.org
>> desing rules on OOo Premium... I know we need contributors, whom help
>> out us with particular language translation, templates, documentums....
>>>
>>>>> and why didn't you provide your template collection to the OO.org
>>>>> project directly.
>>>> As far as I know the English and German templates are available via
>>>> local language teams' homepage. Hungarian templates are available
>>>> at hu.openoffice.org.
>>>> OpenOffice Premium source (patcset for vanilla OOo) is available here:
>>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod/
>>> ok, i don't know the details exactly how the template stuff is
>>> organized. But i think that there should be one place for all
>>> languages.
>> I do agree...
>>> One place with a set of templates, impress backgrounds ... where the
>>> community has agreed that they should become the default in an
>>> official OpenOffice.org distro.
>> I still agree...
>>> No differentiation between OpenOffice.org and a OpenOffice.org
>>> Premium or others.
>> I do not want to differ OpenOffic.org and OpenOffice.org Premium. I
>> wopuld very happy if we decide to integrate OpenOffice.org Premium
>> into OpenOffice.org project...
>> I did steps to this direction...
>> After we created Premium, we compiled binaries for linux and
>> windows... Then shown it to the community. The Hungarian users really
>> liked this idea (ide of integrated Premium versions), so we created
>> international version - firstly en-US - and I hope we will have De
>> version by the 2.0.3's time.
>>>
>>> Make it easy for our end users -->> one OpenOffice.org -->> no
>>> further decision which distro of OpenOffice would be the best for me.
>>>
>>> Ok there are always reasons for having commercial products based on
>>> OpenOffice.org. I mean especially support and service issues for
>>> companies which are often bind to a commercial product and which
>>> from my point of view is ok. But i personally as private user of
>>> OpenOffice.org wouldn't really choose between different
>>> OpenOffice.org versions.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So we didn't hide our work. What do you think where should we
>>>> promote our templates?
>>>>> That would have the benefit that the translation mechanisms on
>>>>> OO.org can be used
>>>> Translatig is not affecting templates just the additional
>>>> installation parts, galleries, etc. Templates are created one by
>>>> one for every language...
>>> mmh, i think often the idea and structure of a template is important
>> I agree - I think the origanl template stucture is good for start...
>>> and if you have some kind of master template in English
>> I mainly work on Hungarian templates, of course one day I might start
>> to create also English templates. But for this I have top learn
>> English at first.
>>> for example other user can translate the template to other languages
>>> as well but reusing the original idea, structure, macros, ...
>> Yes! More complex documents must be more reusable. OOo community
>> might start a document localization project to make more
>> templates/macro based documents, utilities available for more and
>> more languages.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> and all OO.org versions would benefit of a better or bigger
>>>>> template collection and better or more impress schemes.
>>>> Of course everybody benefit from out collection because everybody
>>>> can use the extras (as you saw they are available for public), but
>>>> Premium - from my viewpoint - is one (or two) step forward because
>>>> it integrates these extras into OpenOffice.org perfectly...
>>> fine, and you can make the seconds step (installing OO.org Premium)
>>> obsolete by integrating it in the offical OpenOffice.org build
>> I have a good news for you! I already did taht step :o) I made it
>> OpenOffice.org compatible as your engineers requested... I divided
>> into four parts to make integration easier as Pavel requested. I
>> filled issues about integration here:
>>
>> 62405 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>> integration - Gallery (1/4)
>> 62406 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>> integration - Fonts (2/4)
>> 62407 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>> integration - Templates (3/4)
>> 62408 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>> integration - Samples (4/4)
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408
>>
>> I think I can not do more for integration, can you?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is a snippet about OpenOffice.org Premium:
>>>>
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium = OpenOffice.org + Extras
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium is a free and open source enhancement of
>>>> official OpenOffice.org. The Hungarian Native Language Team has
>>>> modified the source of OpenOffice.org and bundled lot of extras
>>>> with it. Here are just a few of the extras you get with
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Clip Art (currently more than 2,400 objects)
>>>>
>>>> * Templates (number varies by language)
>>>>
>>>> * Samples (number varies by language)
>>>>
>>>> * Documentation (if available)
>>>>
>>>> * Fonts (more than 90 fonts)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium is based on the latest and greatest version
>>>> of OpenOffice.org -- 2.0.2.
>>>>
>>>> You can download OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 from here:
>>>>
>>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/OOB680_m5_Premium
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Current language versions:
>>>>
>>>> Hungarian (HU), English (EN-US)
>>> the official build supports much more
>> Yes, but do not forget there are few peoples behind the project...
>> Currently doesn't mean maximal. Of course we support as many
>> languages as original OpenOffice.org do, but we need someone who
>> translate it into his own languages and also collect and order the
>> templates...
>
> That the reason why it can be helpful to put it on OpenOffice
> directly. Probably more people will help.
I would very happy if I could see Premium extras in the main tree. I try
to do my best, I will develop more good things into Premium, but I think
I need your and your collegues help to make it happen... Again, I will
be glad to see my extensions in the general OpenOffice.org...

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Current platforms:
>>>>
>>>> Linux and Windows
>>> the official build supports much more
>> Sorry mister! We have only Windows and Linux machnies. This is the
>> sad Hungarian reality :o( I am not a corporation, my resources are
>> limited. I can't spend more money for Mac (PPC and Intel), Sparc and
>> others...
> ... the reason as before, use the comunity
I would like...

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The modified source code can be downloaded here:
>>>>
>>>> ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Current version is: OOo202Premium-step7.zip
>>>> <ftp://ftp.fsf.hu/OpenOffice.org_hu/devel/Source_mod/OOo202Premium-step7.zip>
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The modified source code is available for everyone. It has been
>>>> changed to
>>>>
>>>> utilize all of OpenOffice.org features, including localization. If
>>>> you'd
>>>>
>>>> like to help us improve OpenOffice.org Premium, here are a few of
>>>> the ways
>>>>
>>>> you can get involved:
>>>>
>>>> * Translators - translate the resource files to your language and
>>>> send it them back to me
>>>> * Content creators/revisors - Send me templates and openoffice.org
>>>> documentation (in OpenDocument Format) for your language. Collect
>>>> as many as you can, but please keep out the poor, low quality
>>>> content... Someone might recheck the English content of upcoming
>>>> OpenOffice.org Premium 2.0.2 - It is only a sample.
>>>> * Gallery submitters/coordinators/organisers - Send me a free
>>>> galleries or images (mainly in vector based format) good quality
>>>> SVG->WMF convertions may be interesting...
>>>> * Builders - to build OpenOffice.org Premium with other language -
>>>> I can do it, but I have only one machine and it is also for work
>>>> * Programmers - to develop a new ideas, make it better
>>>> * Voters - If you find it useful you can vote for integration:
>>>>
>>>> 62405 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>>> integration - Gallery (1/4)
>>>> 62406 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>>> integration - Fonts (2/4)
>>>> 62407 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>>> integration - Templates (3/4)
>>>> 62408 FEATUR P3 All issues@distribution UNCO OpenOffice.org Premium
>>>> integration - Samples (4/4)
>>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62405
>>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62406
>>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62407
>>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=62408
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing all this info here ...
>>>
>>> Juergen
>> Not at all :o)
>>
>> Can you help me in the integration?
> not directly. Templates etc. are not my area but i will see what i can
> do.
Than you! That should be enough :o)
>
> Juergen
>
>
Bye,
KAMI

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