Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

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Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Jim Jagielski
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
Hi Jim,

Just a short note:

It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.

We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Mechtilde Stehmann-2
Hello

Am 05.01.20 um 20:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just a short note:
>
> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.

Maybe it can help for debugging:

I installed a nightly build of 4.2.x from 29.12.19 and installed it
under Debian testing aka bullseye (upcoming Debian 11)

I didn't saw a crash esp. using Calc with Grouping and Colors and o on

>
> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias

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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
Hi Mechtilde,

Am 05.01.20 um 20:48 schrieb Mechtilde:

> Hello
>
> Am 05.01.20 um 20:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Just a short note:
>>
>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
> Maybe it can help for debugging:
>
> I installed a nightly build of 4.2.x from 29.12.19 and installed it
> under Debian testing aka bullseye (upcoming Debian 11)
>
> I didn't saw a crash esp. using Calc with Grouping and Colors and o on
I can only confirm the crash on Ubuntu 19.10.
Directly after starting AOO, "Segmentation fault".

I will have to set up a new VM to give further details.

CentOS 8:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128242

Fedora 31:
https://www.mail-archive.com/users@.../msg16361.html

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
> Kind regards
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Re[2]: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Pedro Albuquerque-2
Hi

I'm not sure if this helps, but I made a build of a git clone AOO under Linux
Debian based 32 bit system. It reads:

Apache OpenOffice 4.5.0
AOO450m1(Build9900) - Rev. 7371cc306b

I had to install a few extra packages (mainly Java), took about 10 hours to
complete, but so far I had no problems.
If there is any helping information I can give...

Regards,
Pedro

Em 05/01/2020 às 20:02, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> escreveu:

>Hi Mechtilde,
>
>Am 05.01.20 um 20:48 schrieb Mechtilde:
>> Hello
>>
>> Am 05.01.20 um 20:31 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Just a short note:
>>>
>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>> Maybe it can help for debugging:
>>
>> I installed a nightly build of 4.2.x from 29.12.19 and installed it
>> under Debian testing aka bullseye (upcoming Debian 11)
>>
>> I didn't saw a crash esp. using Calc with Grouping and Colors and o on
>
>I can only confirm the crash on Ubuntu 19.10.
>Directly after starting AOO, "Segmentation fault".
>
>I will have to set up a new VM to give further details.
>
>CentOS 8:
>https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128242
>
>Fedora 31:
>https://www.mail-archive.com/users@.../msg16361.html
>
>Regards,
>
>   Matthias
>
>>
>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>> Kind regards
>>


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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Rory O'Farrell
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:31:26 +0100
Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Just a short note:
>
> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>
> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias

I installed Xubuntu 20.04 (downloaded 2020-01-05) on a spare (old) computer (out of the box install).

I then purged LibreOffice and installed AOO 4.2.0 downloaded from
https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/41x/, version dated 2019-12-29 12:43:21 64 bit deb, en-US version.

I remark that the SDK deb version was not available for download from that URL (merely a comment).  SDK was not installed on my test setup.

It opened the Start Center, and I was able to Open Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw (nothing else tried). After closing these, some minutes later the system announced that
"soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in rtl_uString_acquire()"

I will be happy to keep Xubuntu 20.04 (as updated) running on that computer and test any revisions of AOO 4.1.8 or 4.2.0 or 4.5.0 as these become available.

Rory

 

>
> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Rory O'Farrell
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:19:33 +0000
Rory O'Farrell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 20:31:26 +0100
> Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Just a short note:
> >
> > It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> > like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
> >
> > We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >    Matthias
>
> I installed Xubuntu 20.04 (downloaded 2020-01-05) on a spare (old) computer (out of the box install).
>
> I then purged LibreOffice and installed AOO 4.2.0 downloaded from
> https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/41x/, version dated 2019-12-29 12:43:21 64 bit deb, en-US version.
>
> I remark that the SDK deb version was not available for download from that URL (merely a comment).  SDK was not installed on my test setup.

[Later] The SDK of the above date and site is now downloading.

Rory


>
> It opened the Start Center, and I was able to Open Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw (nothing else tried). After closing these, some minutes later the system announced that
> "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in rtl_uString_acquire()"
>
> I will be happy to keep Xubuntu 20.04 (as updated) running on that computer and test any revisions of AOO 4.1.8 or 4.2.0 or 4.5.0 as these become available.
>
> Rory
>
>  
>
> >
> > Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Jim Jagielski
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Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Just a short note:
>
> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>
> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
Hi Jim,

Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?

In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.

On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Just a short note:
>>
>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>
>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Rory O'Farrell
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:54:21 +0100
Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>
> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias

There is one problem in Xubuntu 18.04.X - start openoffice4 in a terminal, and there are several messages during program execution as follows:

** (soffice:16311): WARNING **: 16:05:20.749: Unknown type: GailWindow

This does not seem to cause problems, but there ought not be spurious messages - remember Aesop and the boy who cried "Wolf"!

Rory


>
> >
> >> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> Just a short note:
> >>
> >> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> >> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
> >>
> >> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>    Matthias
> >>
> >> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> >>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Rory O'Farrell
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:07:53 +0000
Rory O'Farrell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:54:21 +0100
> Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > > Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
> >
> > In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
> > I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
> >
> > On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >    Matthias
>
> There is one problem in Xubuntu 18.04.X - start openoffice4 in a terminal, and there are several messages during program execution as follows:
>
> ** (soffice:16311): WARNING **: 16:05:20.749: Unknown type: GailWindow
>
> This does not seem to cause problems, but there ought not be spurious messages - remember Aesop and the boy who cried "Wolf"!


There are two files in AOO source which use GailWindow.  These are
/main/vlc/unx/gtk/a11y/atkbridge.cxx, and in the same folder atkwindow.cxx.

Not understanding c++ I can't be of more help.

Rory

>
> Rory
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Jim,
> > >>
> > >> Just a short note:
> > >>
> > >> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> > >> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
> > >>
> > >> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >>    Matthias
> > >>
> > >> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > >>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
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Hi Jim,

VM (Ubuntu 19.10) is created, LibreOffice was purged...

AOO 4.2.0 fresh install from your home dir, starting AOO crashes right
after splash screen:

soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __Gl__dl_catch_exception()

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Just a short note:
>>
>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>
>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Rory O'Farrell
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:43:56 +0000
Rory O'Farrell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:07:53 +0000
> Rory O'Farrell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 16:54:21 +0100
> > Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > > > Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
> > >
> > > In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
> > > I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
> > >
> > > On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >    Matthias
> >
> > There is one problem in Xubuntu 18.04.X - start openoffice4 in a terminal, and there are several messages during program execution as follows:
> >
> > ** (soffice:16311): WARNING **: 16:05:20.749: Unknown type: GailWindow
> >
> > This does not seem to cause problems, but there ought not be spurious messages - remember Aesop and the boy who cried "Wolf"!
>
>
> There are two files in AOO source which use GailWindow.  These are
> /main/vlc/unx/gtk/a11y/atkbridge.cxx, and in the same folder atkwindow.cxx.
>
> Not understanding c++ I can't be of more help.
>
> Rory


I have tested using Xubuntu 20.04 and AOO 4.2.0.  Running openoffice4 in a terminal, I do not get the GailWindow error.

Rory

>
> >
> > Rory
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Jim,
> > > >>
> > > >> Just a short note:
> > > >>
> > > >> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
> > > >> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
> > > >>
> > > >> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >>    Matthias
> > > >>
> > > >> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
> > > >>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
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Hi all,

On Ubuntu 19.10 this could be solved by installing openjdk-8-jdk. (I
also installed mesa-utils but I don't think it is needed)

Normally I would think that AOO can operate without Java, but that is
definitely something for the Release Notes.

Regards,

   Matthias

Am 06.01.20 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>
> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Just a short note:
>>>
>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>>
>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
Back to the topic:

Personally I don't see a reason for a 4.1.8 dev release.
It is only a micro update and I do build test versions (for Windows) on
a regular base [1].

But I am OK with 4.2.0 dev2, although I would like to have one
additional release blocker [2] fixed for that.
However we should include some new languages in the release process
(this list can be discussed):

 - Armenian (100% UI)
 - Estonian (100% UI)
 - Kabyle (95% UI)
 - Ukrainian (85% UI)
 - Oromo (85% UI)

Regards,

   Matthias

[1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-418-Test/
[2] https://s.apache.org/gL35

Am 07.01.20 um 00:14 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

> Hi all,
>
> On Ubuntu 19.10 this could be solved by installing openjdk-8-jdk. (I
> also installed mesa-utils but I don't think it is needed)
>
> Normally I would think that AOO can operate without Java, but that is
> definitely something for the Release Notes.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> Am 06.01.20 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
>> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>>
>> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Just a short note:
>>>>
>>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>>>
>>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>    Matthias
>>>>
>>>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Jim Jagielski


> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Back to the topic:
>
> Personally I don't see a reason for a 4.1.8 dev release.
> It is only a micro update and I do build test versions (for Windows) on
> a regular base [1].

I agree that from a development/bug/security PoV, a 4.1.8 is likely "not needed". However, since we are now able to sign macOS releases and, I think, Windows ones as well, doing a 4.1.8 simply to have current signed versions of 4.1.x available does have some allure.

>
> But I am OK with 4.2.0 dev2, although I would like to have one
> additional release blocker [2] fixed for that.
> However we should include some new languages in the release process
> (this list can be discussed):
>
>  - Armenian (100% UI)
>  - Estonian (100% UI)
>  - Kabyle (95% UI)
>  - Ukrainian (85% UI)
>  - Oromo (85% UI)
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> [1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-418-Test/
> [2] https://s.apache.org/gL35
>
> Am 07.01.20 um 00:14 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Ubuntu 19.10 this could be solved by installing openjdk-8-jdk. (I
>> also installed mesa-utils but I don't think it is needed)
>>
>> Normally I would think that AOO can operate without Java, but that is
>> definitely something for the Release Notes.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>>> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
>>> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a short note:
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Marcus (OOo)
Am 08.01.20 um 14:42 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Back to the topic:
>>
>> Personally I don't see a reason for a 4.1.8 dev release.
>> It is only a micro update and I do build test versions (for Windows) on
>> a regular base [1].
>
> I agree that from a development/bug/security PoV, a 4.1.8 is likely "not needed". However, since we are now able to sign macOS releases and, I think, Windows ones as well, doing a 4.1.8 simply to have current signed versions of 4.1.x available does have some allure.

yes, it would be indeed an advantage.

However, the effort for a release is very high. With the signatures we
have just a better user experience when installing on Windows and macOS.
There is nothing for Linux.

But we have to go through the complete build process for all platforms
to have a unique number for version, release, milestone build date, etc.
This is mandatory for the download webpage.

IMHO it would be better when there is some more in the release that is
pleasing all users.

My 2ct.

Marcus



>> But I am OK with 4.2.0 dev2, although I would like to have one
>> additional release blocker [2] fixed for that.
>> However we should include some new languages in the release process
>> (this list can be discussed):
>>
>>   - Armenian (100% UI)
>>   - Estonian (100% UI)
>>   - Kabyle (95% UI)
>>   - Ukrainian (85% UI)
>>   - Oromo (85% UI)

For me the percentages are high enough to include these new languages;
so we have then 46 officially supported langauges - at least when 4.2.20
is releases.

Marcus



>> [1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-418-Test/
>> [2] https://s.apache.org/gL35
>>
>> Am 07.01.20 um 00:14 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 19.10 this could be solved by installing openjdk-8-jdk. (I
>>> also installed mesa-utils but I don't think it is needed)
>>>
>>> Normally I would think that AOO can operate without Java, but that is
>>> definitely something for the Release Notes.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>>>> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
>>>> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>>>>
>>>> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>     Matthias
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a short note:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>>>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.


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Re: Time for some test tarballs/developer releases for 4.1.8-dev and 4.2.0-devm2

Matthias Seidel
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Hi Jim,

Am 08.01.20 um 14:42 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Back to the topic:
>>
>> Personally I don't see a reason for a 4.1.8 dev release.
>> It is only a micro update and I do build test versions (for Windows) on
>> a regular base [1].
> I agree that from a development/bug/security PoV, a 4.1.8 is likely "not needed". However, since we are now able to sign macOS releases and, I think, Windows ones as well, doing a 4.1.8 simply to have current signed versions of 4.1.x available does have some allure.

I also would prefer to sign a Windows dev build (be it 4.1.X or 4.2.X)
before we do that in a release situation.

But remember, Windows signing costs money.

Regards,

   Matthias

>> But I am OK with 4.2.0 dev2, although I would like to have one
>> additional release blocker [2] fixed for that.
>> However we should include some new languages in the release process
>> (this list can be discussed):
>>
>>  - Armenian (100% UI)
>>  - Estonian (100% UI)
>>  - Kabyle (95% UI)
>>  - Ukrainian (85% UI)
>>  - Oromo (85% UI)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>> [1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-builds/AOO-418-Test/
>> [2] https://s.apache.org/gL35
>>
>> Am 07.01.20 um 00:14 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 19.10 this could be solved by installing openjdk-8-jdk. (I
>>> also installed mesa-utils but I don't think it is needed)
>>>
>>> Normally I would think that AOO can operate without Java, but that is
>>> definitely something for the Release Notes.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Am 06.01.20 um 16:18 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>> Hmmm... Is this using one of our test builds, something from our buildbots, or your own build?
>>>> In my case (Ubuntu 19.10) it was a build from our bots.
>>>> I am just setting up a new VM and will do further tests.
>>>>
>>>> On Ubuntu 18.04 there are no problems, but 20.04 will be released in April.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>    Matthias
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a short note:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that AOO crashes immediately at startup on newer Linux distros
>>>>>> like CentOS 8, Fedora 31 or Ubuntu 19.10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should investigate that before we think of new DevBuild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Matthias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 03.01.20 um 18:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>>>>>> Sub sez it all. Yeah, I know we have some bugz to squash, but maybe getingt some feedback on the current state is helpful too.
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