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Aivaras Stepukonis
Hi,

On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?

Regards,

Aivaras

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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Marcus (OOo)
Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
> starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
> translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
> expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
> couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?

you can find it here:
.../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js

As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there. Otherwise
I need to query which release should be displayed and decide with a JS
logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light green box.

I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word "hash"
is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.

BTW:
In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
sounds a bit bulky. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Czesław Wolański
Hi,

Matthias - you remember I had immense difficulties to find "Search" field.
Now could anyone enlighten me where to find the "green download box"???

 On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
 > starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]"

As to translation of word "hash" - I fully agree with Matthias  - it is
possible but not advisable. In Polish we have "hasz" which is exact
reflection of how this world is pronounced in English. French... they - as
usual - try to devise equivalent - but finally they'll fail (take example
of word "weekend" - French tried desperately to promote "fin de la semaine"
and ended up with "le weekend".

Regards,

Czesław Wolański




Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:02, Marcus <[hidden email]> a écrit :

> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
> > On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
> > starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
> > translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
> > expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
> > couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>
> you can find it here:
> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>
> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there. Otherwise
> I need to query which release should be displayed and decide with a JS
> logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light green box.
>
> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word "hash"
> is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>
> BTW:
> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Matthias Seidel
Am 20.02.20 um 20:17 schrieb Czesław Wolański:
> Hi,
>
> Matthias - you remember I had immense difficulties to find "Search" field.
> Now could anyone enlighten me where to find the "green download box"???
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

>
>  On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
>  > starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]"
>
> As to translation of word "hash" - I fully agree with Matthias  - it is
> possible but not advisable. In Polish we have "hasz" which is exact
> reflection of how this world is pronounced in English. French... they - as
> usual - try to devise equivalent - but finally they'll fail (take example
> of word "weekend" - French tried desperately to promote "fin de la semaine"
> and ended up with "le weekend".
Actually it was Marcus... ;-)

I also think, that "Git hash" is a well known term, that doesn't need to
be translated.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards,
>
> Czesław Wolański
>
>
>
>
> Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:02, Marcus <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
>> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
>>> starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
>>> translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
>>> expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
>>> couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>> you can find it here:
>> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>>
>> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there. Otherwise
>> I need to query which release should be displayed and decide with a JS
>> logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light green box.
>>
>> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word "hash"
>> is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>>
>> BTW:
>> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
>> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Czesław Wolański
 I am haunted. I though that green box had to be somewhere on Pootle page.

Seems that  something is wrong in my brain department. How dumb of me!

with apologies,

Czesław Wolański.



Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:23, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]>
a écrit :

> Am 20.02.20 um 20:17 schrieb Czesław Wolański:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Matthias - you remember I had immense difficulties to find "Search"
> field.
> > Now could anyone enlighten me where to find the "green download box"???
> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
> >
> >  On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
> >  > starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]"
> >
> > As to translation of word "hash" - I fully agree with Matthias  - it is
> > possible but not advisable. In Polish we have "hasz" which is exact
> > reflection of how this world is pronounced in English. French... they -
> as
> > usual - try to devise equivalent - but finally they'll fail (take example
> > of word "weekend" - French tried desperately to promote "fin de la
> semaine"
> > and ended up with "le weekend".
>
> Actually it was Marcus... ;-)
>
> I also think, that "Git hash" is a well known term, that doesn't need to
> be translated.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Czesław Wolański
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:02, Marcus <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> >
> >> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
> >>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a
> line
> >>> starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
> >>> translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
> >>> expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
> >>> couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
> >> you can find it here:
> >> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
> >>
> >> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there. Otherwise
> >> I need to query which release should be displayed and decide with a JS
> >> logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light green box.
> >>
> >> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word "hash"
> >> is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
> >>
> >> BTW:
> >> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
> >> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
> >>
> >> Marcus
> >>
> >>
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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Marcus (OOo)
Am 20.02.20 um 20:27 schrieb Czesław Wolański:
>   I am haunted. I though that green box had to be somewhere on Pootle page.

exceptionally, it's not in OpenOffice (and therefore not in Pootle) but
on the webpage (see the light green box):

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

> Seems that  something is wrong in my brain department. How dumb of me!

I don't mind. :-)

Marcus



> Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:23, Matthias Seidel <[hidden email]>
> a écrit :
>
>> Am 20.02.20 um 20:17 schrieb Czesław Wolański:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Matthias - you remember I had immense difficulties to find "Search"
>> field.
>>> Now could anyone enlighten me where to find the "green download box"???
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>>>
>>>   On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a line
>>>   > starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]"
>>>
>>> As to translation of word "hash" - I fully agree with Matthias  - it is
>>> possible but not advisable. In Polish we have "hasz" which is exact
>>> reflection of how this world is pronounced in English. French... they -
>> as
>>> usual - try to devise equivalent - but finally they'll fail (take example
>>> of word "weekend" - French tried desperately to promote "fin de la
>> semaine"
>>> and ended up with "le weekend".
>>
>> Actually it was Marcus... ;-)
>>
>> I also think, that "Git hash" is a well known term, that doesn't need to
>> be translated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Matthias
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Czesław Wolański
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 20 févr. 2020 à 20:02, Marcus <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>>>>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a
>> line
>>>>> starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd like to
>>>>> translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML files. I was
>>>>> expecting to find it in "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but
>>>>> couldn't. Does anyone have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>>>> you can find it here:
>>>> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>>>>
>>>> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there. Otherwise
>>>> I need to query which release should be displayed and decide with a JS
>>>> logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light green box.
>>>>
>>>> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word "hash"
>>>> is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>>>>
>>>> BTW:
>>>> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
>>>> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Marcus


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Aivaras Stepukonis
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Marcus,

Thanks for the explanation!

Ideally, "hash" should be translated as it is what it is: a common
English noun in what is otherwise a page in another language. In fact,
"hash" is already used /and/ translated on the same page in the ensuing
two lines ("Signatures and hashes […]"). A visitor who knows what "hash"
means will find instances of it both translated and untranslated on the
same page and will tend to interpret the situation as linguistic
inconsistency and negligence.

Overall, if we cling to the principle of AOO and its website being
subject to localization, technical solutions should ensure the principle
is upheld.

Having said that, it is ultimately a matter of just how much resources
we have and how we allocate them. It's a finite and contingent world.
Marcus, your presence, expertise, and input, very much appreciated!

Regards,

Aivaras

2020-02-20 21:02, Marcus rašė:

> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a
>> line starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd
>> like to translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML
>> files. I was expecting to find it in
>> "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but couldn't. Does anyone
>> have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>
> you can find it here:
> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>
> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there.
> Otherwise I need to query which release should be displayed and decide
> with a JS logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light
> green box.
>
> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word
> "hash" is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>
> BTW:
> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
>
> Marcus
>
>
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Re: Website – Download – Git hash

Marcus (OOo)
Am 21.02.20 um 12:16 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:

> Thanks for the explanation!
>
> Ideally, "hash" should be translated as it is what it is: a common
> English noun in what is otherwise a page in another language. In fact,
> "hash" is already used /and/ translated on the same page in the ensuing
> two lines ("Signatures and hashes […]"). A visitor who knows what "hash"
> means will find instances of it both translated and untranslated on the
> same page and will tend to interpret the situation as linguistic
> inconsistency and negligence.
>
> Overall, if we cling to the principle of AOO and its website being
> subject to localization, technical solutions should ensure the principle
> is upheld.
>
> Having said that, it is ultimately a matter of just how much resources
> we have and how we allocate them. It's a finite and contingent world.
> Marcus, your presence, expertise, and input, very much appreciated!

I'm waiting now since some days to get more feedback but I think there
is no one else speaking up.

The effort would be to do the following:

- update every release item of the release matrix
- extract the "SVN" and "Git hash" terms
- put these terms into the *.msg files for every language
- that needs to be translated into the respective language, otherwise
it's still in English and nothing is won ;-)
- create a logic to identify if the release is based on SVN or Git

IMHO it's way too much effort for to less benefit.

Sorry ;-(

Marcus



> 2020-02-20 21:02, Marcus rašė:
>> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a
>>> line starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd
>>> like to translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML
>>> files. I was expecting to find it in
>>> "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but couldn't. Does anyone
>>> have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>>
>> you can find it here:
>> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>>
>> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there.
>> Otherwise I need to query which release should be displayed and decide
>> with a JS logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe light
>> green box.
>>
>> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word
>> "hash" is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>>
>> BTW:
>> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
>> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)
>>
>> Marcus


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Marcus (OOo)
Am 02.03.20 um 19:34 schrieb Marcus:

> Am 21.02.20 um 12:16 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>> Thanks for the explanation!
>>
>> Ideally, "hash" should be translated as it is what it is: a common
>> English noun in what is otherwise a page in another language. In fact,
>> "hash" is already used /and/ translated on the same page in the
>> ensuing two lines ("Signatures and hashes […]"). A visitor who knows
>> what "hash" means will find instances of it both translated and
>> untranslated on the same page and will tend to interpret the situation
>> as linguistic inconsistency and negligence.
>>
>> Overall, if we cling to the principle of AOO and its website being
>> subject to localization, technical solutions should ensure the
>> principle is upheld.
>>
>> Having said that, it is ultimately a matter of just how much resources
>> we have and how we allocate them. It's a finite and contingent world.
>> Marcus, your presence, expertise, and input, very much appreciated!
>
> I'm waiting now since some days to get more feedback but I think there
> is no one else speaking up.
>
> The effort would be to do the following:
>
> - update every release item of the release matrix
> - extract the "SVN" and "Git hash" terms
> - put these terms into the *.msg files for every language
> - that needs to be translated into the respective language, otherwise
> it's still in English and nothing is won ;-)
> - create a logic to identify if the release is based on SVN or Git
>
> IMHO it's way too much effort for to less benefit.

of course when there would be a bigger rework on these webpages then we
can include this. However, at the moment there is none planned.

Marcus



>> 2020-02-20 21:02, Marcus rašė:
>>> Am 20.02.20 um 16:53 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>>>> On the download page, right below the green download box, there's a
>>>> line starting with "Release […] | Build ID […] | Git hash […]". I'd
>>>> like to translate the word "hash" but can't locate it in the HTML
>>>> files. I was expecting to find it in
>>>> "msg_prop_l10n_en.js/msg_prop_l10n_lt.js" but couldn't. Does anyone
>>>> have an idea/inkling where it's coming from?
>>>
>>> you can find it here:
>>> .../ooo-site/trunk/content/download/release_matrix.js
>>>
>>> As we have changed from SVN to Git recently I've put it there.
>>> Otherwise I need to query which release should be displayed and
>>> decide with a JS logic if "SVN" or "Git" has to be written in tothe
>>> light green box.
>>>
>>> I hope it's OK for you to keep this is in English. IMHO the word
>>> "hash" is not too special so that a translation isn't really needed.
>>>
>>> BTW:
>>> In German it would be "Prüfsumme" which is much longer and IMHO it
>>> sounds a bit bulky. ;-)


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