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Martin Hollmichel - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg
Hi,

as you may now OOo plans to distribute dictionaries as extensions
beginning with OOo 3.0.

The plan is that providers of dictionaries will be able to provide their
dictionaries as an extension
(<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extension_Dictionaries>). The
plan is to preinstall a defined set of those dictionaries as extension
with a localized build
(<http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81365>).

This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
independently of the Ooo schedules,

Martin

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Laurent Godard-3
Hi Martin

> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
> independently of the Ooo schedules,

thanks for the reminder
I planned to write a script (python) that built the new extensions from
the existing zip files
no time until now, but hope next week end
any deadline ?

Laurent

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Leif Lodahl
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Martin Hollmichel skrev:

> Hi,
>
> as you may now OOo plans to distribute dictionaries as extensions
> beginning with OOo 3.0.
This sounds very interesting.

>
> The plan is that providers of dictionaries will be able to provide
> their dictionaries as an extension
> (<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extension_Dictionaries>).
> The plan is to preinstall a defined set of those dictionaries as
> extension with a localized build
> (<http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81365>).
I'm a little confused here regarding extensions vs. pre-installed. Will
pre-installed dictionaries be installed as pre-installed extensions ?
Will it be possible to make an upgrade of a specific pre-installed
dictionary using an extension ?

Do you plan to create an empty easy-to-use template for dictionary
extensions ? or should we use the one attached to the issue here
http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/51570/Dicts.oxt .

>
> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
> independently of the Ooo schedules,
>
> Martin
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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

thomas.lange
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Hi Leif,


>> The plan is that providers of dictionaries will be able to provide
>> their dictionaries as an extension
>> (<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extension_Dictionaries>).
>> The plan is to preinstall a defined set of those dictionaries as
>> extension with a localized build
>> (<http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81365>).
> I'm a little confused here regarding extensions vs. pre-installed. Will
> pre-installed dictionaries be installed as pre-installed extensions ?
> Will it be possible to make an upgrade of a specific pre-installed
> dictionary using an extension ?

Just forget about the pre-installed *flat* dictionaries.
As stated in the very last sentence of the Wiki it is also possible to
provide the pre-installed dictionaries as extensions.
And meanwhile it was decided that using extensions even for the
pre-installed dictionaries is the way to go because it has some unique
advantages compared to flat-file-installation:
a) versioning of dictionaries (you additionally need to add a
   description.xml file to the dictionary to have this working)
b) the office can look up the repository and inform you of available
   updates for your dictionaries.

Thus even though the part about pre-installed flat dictionaries is still
correct I should probably remove it since it was decided meanwhile that
we do not like to go along that path.


> Do you plan to create an empty easy-to-use template for dictionary
> extensions ? or should we use the one attached to the issue here
> http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/51570/Dicts.oxt .

Have a look at the other posting from Laurent.
He said that he likes to work on a php script that does all the work to
create the extension from the dictionaries.
Thus I think we do not need a new template right now.

Thomas



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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

thomas.lange
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Hi Laurent!

Laurent Godard wrote:

> Hi Martin
>
>> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
>> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
>> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
>> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
>> independently of the Ooo schedules,
>
> thanks for the reminder
> I planned to write a script (python) that built the new extensions from
> the existing zip files
> no time until now, but hope next week end
> any deadline ?

As far as I know about this from Martin it should be sufficient if the
dictionaries be available at the end of this month or early next month.
If that will be a problem you may want to contact Martin directly to get
his opinion about deadlines.

Pleas don't forget to create a description.xml for each dictionary to
hold some descriptive text AND the version of the extension. ^_-

Taking an example from another extension it may look like this:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<description xmlns="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
xmlns:d="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
    xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">
    <version value="1.0"/>
    <dependencies>
         <OpenOffice.org-minimal-version value="2.3"
d:name="OpenOffice.org 2.3"/>
    </dependencies>
</description>

The example above is missing the descriptive text though...
The Developers Guide should have listed how that entry looks like.
I don't think we need further entries but you may check that as well
with the guide.

And thanks for taking care of this task! :-)


Regards,
Thomas


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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Nicolas Mailhot
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Le Ven 11 avril 2008 09:34, Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg
> Just forget about the pre-installed *flat* dictionaries.
> As stated in the very last sentence of the Wiki it is also possible to
> provide the pre-installed dictionaries as extensions.
> And meanwhile it was decided that using extensions even for the
> pre-installed dictionaries

That's true for some OS platforms.

On the Linux-side distributions are moving to plug OO.o on a
system-level hunspell library, that uses a set of system dictionaries
not linked to a particular application or its particular extension
system. This is how Fedora 9 will ship soonish for example.

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

stephan.bergmann
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Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:

> Hi Laurent!
>
> Laurent Godard wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin
>>
>>> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
>>> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
>>> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
>>> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
>>> independently of the Ooo schedules,
>> thanks for the reminder
>> I planned to write a script (python) that built the new extensions from
>> the existing zip files
>> no time until now, but hope next week end
>> any deadline ?
>
> As far as I know about this from Martin it should be sufficient if the
> dictionaries be available at the end of this month or early next month.
> If that will be a problem you may want to contact Martin directly to get
> his opinion about deadlines.
>
> Pleas don't forget to create a description.xml for each dictionary to
> hold some descriptive text AND the version of the extension. ^_-
>
> Taking an example from another extension it may look like this:
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <description xmlns="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
> xmlns:d="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
>     xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">
>     <version value="1.0"/>
>     <dependencies>
>          <OpenOffice.org-minimal-version value="2.3"
> d:name="OpenOffice.org 2.3"/>
>     </dependencies>
> </description>

At a minimum, each (new) extension should have an <identifier>.  Also,
please do not blindly copy any <dependencies> into new extensions---is
there indeed a dependency on OOo 2.3 or greater for such dictionary
extensions?

-Stephan

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Marcin Miłkowski
Stephan Bergmann pisze:
>
> At a minimum, each (new) extension should have an <identifier>.  Also,
> please do not blindly copy any <dependencies> into new extensions---is
> there indeed a dependency on OOo 2.3 or greater for such dictionary
> extensions?

Isn't there? I mean the mechanism for using the extension is not
implemented in the previous versions, so they wouldn't work, right?

Regards,
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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

stephan.bergmann
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Marcin Miłkowski wrote:
> Stephan Bergmann pisze:
>>
>> At a minimum, each (new) extension should have an <identifier>.  Also,
>> please do not blindly copy any <dependencies> into new extensions---is
>> there indeed a dependency on OOo 2.3 or greater for such dictionary
>> extensions?
>
> Isn't there? I mean the mechanism for using the extension is not
> implemented in the previous versions, so they wouldn't work, right?

If indeed any mechanisms necessary to use such dictionary extensions
first appeared in OOo 2.3, then the dependency would be correct.  I do
not know; I just assumed the example description.xml had been taken from
an unrelated extension, and wanted to point out this detail.

-Stephan

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Laurent Godard-3
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Hi Thomas

> The example above is missing the descriptive text though...
> The Developers Guide should have listed how that entry looks like.
> I don't think we need further entries but you may check that as well
> with the guide.
>
> And thanks for taking care of this task! :-)


I'll do my best :)
and may ask for help if needed

the deadline is really fine for me as recently elected at the city
council i have a lot to do for starting :)

I'll let you know

Laurent

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Marcin Miłkowski
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Stephan Bergmann pisze:

> Marcin Miłkowski wrote:
>> Stephan Bergmann pisze:
>>>
>>> At a minimum, each (new) extension should have an <identifier>.  
>>> Also, please do not blindly copy any <dependencies> into new
>>> extensions---is there indeed a dependency on OOo 2.3 or greater for
>>> such dictionary extensions?
>>
>> Isn't there? I mean the mechanism for using the extension is not
>> implemented in the previous versions, so they wouldn't work, right?
>
> If indeed any mechanisms necessary to use such dictionary extensions
> first appeared in OOo 2.3, then the dependency would be correct.  I do
> not know; I just assumed the example description.xml had been taken from
> an unrelated extension, and wanted to point out this detail.

 From what I gather from reading the wiki, it's supported starting from
3.x, so you were partly right: simple copy-and-paste is the best way of
introducing bugs :/

Regards,
Marcin

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Mathias Bauer
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Stephan Bergmann wrote:

> Marcin Miłkowski wrote:
>> Stephan Bergmann pisze:
>>>
>>> At a minimum, each (new) extension should have an <identifier>.  Also,
>>> please do not blindly copy any <dependencies> into new extensions---is
>>> there indeed a dependency on OOo 2.3 or greater for such dictionary
>>> extensions?
>>
>> Isn't there? I mean the mechanism for using the extension is not
>> implemented in the previous versions, so they wouldn't work, right?
>
> If indeed any mechanisms necessary to use such dictionary extensions
> first appeared in OOo 2.3, then the dependency would be correct.  I do
> not know; I just assumed the example description.xml had been taken from
> an unrelated extension, and wanted to point out this detail.

I think the dependency of dictionary extensions should be on OOo 3.0.

Ciao,
Mathias

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Mathias Bauer
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Nicolas Mailhot wrote:

> Le Ven 11 avril 2008 09:34, Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg
>> Just forget about the pre-installed *flat* dictionaries.
>> As stated in the very last sentence of the Wiki it is also possible to
>> provide the pre-installed dictionaries as extensions.
>> And meanwhile it was decided that using extensions even for the
>> pre-installed dictionaries
>
> That's true for some OS platforms.
>
> On the Linux-side distributions are moving to plug OO.o on a
> system-level hunspell library, that uses a set of system dictionaries
> not linked to a particular application or its particular extension
> system. This is how Fedora 9 will ship soonish for example.

Besides the support for dictionary extensions we also prepared OOo to
support external dictionary folders. Interested developers should
discuss with us what might be the best way to use this new feature.

Ciao,
Mathias

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

thomas.lange
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Hi all,

>> Isn't there? I mean the mechanism for using the extension is not
>> implemented in the previous versions, so they wouldn't work, right?
>
> If indeed any mechanisms necessary to use such dictionary extensions
> first appeared in OOo 2.3, then the dependency would be correct.  I do
> not know; I just assumed the example description.xml had been taken from
> an unrelated extension, and wanted to point out this detail.

Yes, it was taken from an unrelated extension just to give an example
how that file may look like.

Also the mechanism to make use of dictionary extensions is integrated in
current developer builds. For officially released builds it is planned
to have it available in OOo 3.0.


Thomas


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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

thomas.lange
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Hi Laurent,


> I'll do my best :)
> and may ask for help if needed

Sure

> the deadline is really fine for me as recently elected at the city
> council i have a lot to do for starting :)
>
> I'll let you know

Ok.

Bye,
Thomas


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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Дмитрий Габинский
Hi!

I've just downloaded pre-3.0 (m5) and found that the ol' good dictionary.lst
is there and I'm able to engage/disengage dictionaries with use of it. Does
that mean that 3.0 will keep that mechanism for future alongside with the
extension method described in this list previously? Or I'm missing
something?

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Martin Hollmichel - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg
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Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg wrote:

> Hi Laurent!
>
> Laurent Godard wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin
>>
>>> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
>>> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
>>> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
>>> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
>>> independently of the Ooo schedules,
>> thanks for the reminder
>> I planned to write a script (python) that built the new extensions from
>> the existing zip files
>> no time until now, but hope next week end
>> any deadline ?
>
> As far as I know about this from Martin it should be sufficient if the
> dictionaries be available at the end of this month or early next month.
> If that will be a problem you may want to contact Martin directly to get
> his opinion about deadlines.

It would be great to have as much dictionaries available as possible
with the release of OOo 3.0 beta end of April/begin of May. If
dictionaries should come with the installation set as preinstalled
extension we should them have available this week (April 17th) so that
we can do the integration work in the last week.

Martin



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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Goran Rakic
У пон, 14. 04 2008. у 10:53 +0200, Martin Hollmichel пише:
> we should them have available this week (April 17th) so that
> we can do the integration work in the last week.

Should I open new issue and attach Serbian word list(s) or is there some
more work to be done?

Regards,
Goran Rakic



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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Hristo Hristov-5
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On 7.4.2008, Martin Hollmichel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as you may now OOo plans to distribute dictionaries as extensions
> beginning with OOo 3.0.
>
> The plan is that providers of dictionaries will be able to provide their
> dictionaries as an extension
> (<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extension_Dictionaries>). The
> plan is to preinstall a defined set of those dictionaries as extension
> with a localized build
> (<http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81365>).
>
> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
> independently of the Ooo schedules,
How these file Dicts.oxt made?
I found out that I can open it with Ark and unzip the content. But if I zip
new content is such Dicts.oxt file our Bulgarian dictionaries, is it be OK?

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Re: dictionaries distributed as extension with OOo 3.0 (Beta)

Leif Lodahl
Hi,
I tried to create a similar extension for Danish. It seems to work :-)



Hristo Hristov skrev:

> On 7.4.2008, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
>  
>> Hi,
>>
>> as you may now OOo plans to distribute dictionaries as extensions
>> beginning with OOo 3.0.
>>
>> The plan is that providers of dictionaries will be able to provide their
>> dictionaries as an extension
>> (<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extension_Dictionaries>). The
>> plan is to preinstall a defined set of those dictionaries as extension
>> with a localized build
>> (<http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81365>).
>>
>> This is the call to all maintainers of dictionaries to provide their
>> dictionaries as an extension and to distribute them via
>> extensions.services.openoffice.org. With this mechanism the maintainer
>> of the dictionaries will be able to distribute their dictionaries
>> independently of the Ooo schedules,
>>    
>
> How these file Dicts.oxt made?
> I found out that I can open it with Ark and unzip the content. But if I zip
> new content is such Dicts.oxt file our Bulgarian dictionaries, is it be OK?
>
>  
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