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tired of the crashes

David Carroll
Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text, but nothing works.

Is there a cure for this?

David Carroll

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Re: tired of the crashes

Alan Cliffe
 Make a pdf. Don't know why OO would crash all the time.
    On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 05:12:09 PM EDT, David Carroll <[hidden email]> wrote:  
 
 Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text, but nothing works.

Is there a cure for this?

David Carroll

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Re: tired of the crashes

Maurice Howe-2
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Any "coincidences" in the crashes?  Like when using a particular sequence
or format?  Any clues in the resulting display / file / messages?
Are you using any macros (especially "home-grown" macros)?
Have you asked a local friend to try the exact same text & routines (using
a different computer), to see if it's some curiosity about your text, or is
it a "David Carrol" anomaly?

Maurice Howe


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:12 PM David Carroll <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office crashes,
> and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text, but
> nothing works.
>
> Is there a cure for this?
>
> David Carroll
>
> [hidden email]
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Re: tired of the crashes

Rochelle
Also check to see if your storage is near capacity. That w as the reason
behind mine.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 11:23 AM Maurice Howe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Any "coincidences" in the crashes?  Like when using a particular sequence
> or format?  Any clues in the resulting display / file / messages?
> Are you using any macros (especially "home-grown" macros)?
> Have you asked a local friend to try the exact same text & routines (using
> a different computer), to see if it's some curiosity about your text, or is
> it a "David Carrol" anomaly?
>
> Maurice Howe
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:12 PM David Carroll <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office
> crashes,
> > and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text,
> but
> > nothing works.
> >
> > Is there a cure for this?
> >
> > David Carroll
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: tired of the crashes

Johnny Rosenberg
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Den lör 8 aug. 2020 kl 23:12 skrev David Carroll <[hidden email]>:

> Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office crashes,
> and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text, but
> nothing works.
>
> Is there a cure for this?
>

Probably only the usual cure: File a bug report and include as much
information as possible and then wait for a fix.
Other fixes are maybe not Apache OpenOffice-related in the same way, such
as switching to another operating system to see if that helps. Or, if
nothing works, try another office suite, such as LibreOffice or any of the
others (at least until the issue in Apache OpenOffice is fixed). I guess
I'm not supposed to suggest that, but if nothing helps and you need to
work, what can you do? The job has to be done, right?


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg

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> David Carroll
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Re: tired of the crashes

Johnny Rosenberg
By the way, did you try to reset your profile? That should probably be my
first suggestion…

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426#p58403


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


Den sön 9 aug. 2020 kl 01:17 skrev Johnny Rosenberg <[hidden email]
>:

> Den lör 8 aug. 2020 kl 23:12 skrev David Carroll <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office
>> crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my
>> text, but nothing works.
>>
>> Is there a cure for this?
>>
>
> Probably only the usual cure: File a bug report and include as much
> information as possible and then wait for a fix.
> Other fixes are maybe not Apache OpenOffice-related in the same way, such
> as switching to another operating system to see if that helps. Or, if
> nothing works, try another office suite, such as LibreOffice or any of the
> others (at least until the issue in Apache OpenOffice is fixed). I guess
> I'm not supposed to suggest that, but if nothing helps and you need to
> work, what can you do? The job has to be done, right?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
>
>>
>> David Carroll
>>
>> [hidden email]
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Re: tired of the crashes

W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.
David -

Johnny Rosenberg is right that corrupted profiles seem to cause a lot
of misery.

If that doesn't help: When you start a new show, do you start from
scratch with a new document, or do you revise an existing document? If
the latter, then there might be some corruption in that document. If
the former, do you create documents other than for the radio show, and
do they also crash?

- Robert


On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

> By the way, did you try to reset your profile? That should probably be my
> first suggestion…
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426#p58403
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
>
>
> Den sön 9 aug. 2020 kl 01:17 skrev Johnny Rosenberg <[hidden email]
>> :
>
>> Den lör 8 aug. 2020 kl 23:12 skrev David Carroll <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office
>>> crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my
>>> text, but nothing works.
>>>
>>> Is there a cure for this?
>>>
>>
>> Probably only the usual cure: File a bug report and include as much
>> information as possible and then wait for a fix.
>> Other fixes are maybe not Apache OpenOffice-related in the same way, such
>> as switching to another operating system to see if that helps. Or, if
>> nothing works, try another office suite, such as LibreOffice or any of the
>> others (at least until the issue in Apache OpenOffice is fixed). I guess
>> I'm not supposed to suggest that, but if nothing helps and you need to
>> work, what can you do? The job has to be done, right?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnny Rosenberg
>>
>>>
>>> David Carroll
>>>
>>> [hidden email]


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RE: tired of the crashes

W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.
In reply to this post by Johnny Rosenberg
David -

When a document is revised over and over again, after a while cruft
can build up and cause problems. (This isn't just for OpenOffice.) If
that is the problem, hopefully you just need to start afresh once and
it will keep working for a long time. You could try selecting the
entire document and then pasting it into a fresh document using Paste
Special > Paste Unformatted Text. You'll get the content but will have
to redo any formatting you have, hopefully just once.

You should be able to set OpenOffice to save your document
periodically. In LibreOffice this is under Tools > Options > Load/Save
> General. I think it's similar in OpenOffice.

Changing your profile may cause you to lose some settings that you've
customized, but it may be worth a try.

(I've addressed this to the list. Please include the list in your
replies so everyone sees what's going on.)

- Robert


On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, David Carroll wrote:

> Thanks for the polite response.  Most often, I revise an existing document.  That is MUCH easier than starting all over.  I’ll take a show I wrote six months ago (I have 200 to choose from), and insert new songs, etc.
>
> If I started from scratch each week, it would be far more time consuming.  This SHOULD be easy. Just plug in a few new songs and some new text, and it’s done.  But it is rarely easy, because I can’t figure out how to get OpenOffice to auto save like Word does.  If I don’t “save” every minute or so, I’m screwed.  I am also creating some data for an upcoming book.  It is basically a listing of concerts, in various categories.  And yes, they occasionally crash too.  Not as often…but it has happened.
>
> I can try to change my profile, I guess it can’t hurt.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Robert Funnell
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 7:40 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: tired of the crashes
>
> David -
>
> Johnny Rosenberg is right that corrupted profiles seem to cause a lot
> of misery.
>
> If that doesn't help: When you start a new show, do you start from
> scratch with a new document, or do you revise an existing document? If
> the latter, then there might be some corruption in that document. If
> the former, do you create documents other than for the radio show, and
> do they also crash?
>
> - Robert
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> By the way, did you try to reset your profile? That should probably be my
>> first suggestion…
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426#p58403
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnny Rosenberg
>>
>>
>> Den sön 9 aug. 2020 kl 01:17 skrev Johnny Rosenberg <[hidden email]
>>> :
>>
>>> Den lör 8 aug. 2020 kl 23:12 skrev David Carroll <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>> Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office
>>>> crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my
>>>> text, but nothing works.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a cure for this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Probably only the usual cure: File a bug report and include as much
>>> information as possible and then wait for a fix.
>>> Other fixes are maybe not Apache OpenOffice-related in the same way, such
>>> as switching to another operating system to see if that helps. Or, if
>>> nothing works, try another office suite, such as LibreOffice or any of the
>>> others (at least until the issue in Apache OpenOffice is fixed). I guess
>>> I'm not supposed to suggest that, but if nothing helps and you need to
>>> work, what can you do? The job has to be done, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Johnny Rosenberg
>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Carroll
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email]


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Re: tired of the crashes

David Belina-2
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Without knowing the detail of your system, it’s hard to tell but I suspect it is your memory settings.  On a Mac, open OO and check the memory setting under Preferences in the left-hand pane.  I have 20MB set for mine and I never crash.  Don’t know where the setting is on Windows/Linux.


On August 8, 2020 at 3:19:56 PM, Alan Cliffe ([hidden email]) wrote:

Make a pdf. Don't know why OO would crash all the time.  
On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 05:12:09 PM EDT, David Carroll <[hidden email]> wrote:  

Every week I have to write a radio show.  Every week, Open Office crashes, and I have to rewrite.  I have tried finding a way to back up my text, but nothing works.  

Is there a cure for this?  

David Carroll  

[hidden email]  


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RE: tired of the crashes

Brian Barker-2
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At 20:28 08/08/2020 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:
>You should be able to set OpenOffice to save your document
>periodically. In LibreOffice this is under Tools > Options >
>Load/Save  > General. I think it's similar in OpenOffice.

As I mentioned only a few weeks ago, useful though this facility is,
it is important that readers are not misled by this suggestion. Like
all sensible applications, OpenOffice (and surely LibreOffice too?)
saves document files only when the user asks for this to happen -
using Save or Save As or by selecting Save from the options provided
when a modified document is closed without having been saved. This is
important, so that a user may choose, after a period of editing, to
abandon all changes and close the document or session without
modifying the original document.

The option at Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Save
AutoRecovery information every ... Minutes has another purpose. If it
is ticked, information about the current editing session is salted
away regularly - but separately from the actual document file. This
information is deleted automatically if a session is terminated
normally. Its purpose is instead to deal with program or system
crashes or power outages. In these circumstances an offer is made,
when OpenOffice is next started, to recover editing changes made in
the aborted session as far as possible.

If users need to save frequently because they cannot discover or
cannot be bothered to discover the reason for frequent crashes, they
need to do so explicitly. They'd be better off solving the problem, of course.

Brian Barker  


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RE: tired of the crashes

W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Brian Barker wrote:

> At 20:28 08/08/2020 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:
>> You should be able to set OpenOffice to save your document periodically. In
>> LibreOffice this is under Tools > Options > Load/Save  > General. I think
>> it's similar in OpenOffice.
>
> As I mentioned only a few weeks ago, ...

I'm afraid I missed that. You're quite right that saving autorecovery
information isn't the same as saving a new version of the file.

> If users need to save frequently because they cannot discover or cannot be
> bothered to discover the reason for frequent crashes, they need to do so
> explicitly. ...

I don't understand the point here. If a user has turned on regular
saving of autorecovery information, then if the application crashes
they can (hopefully, if it works as intended) recover an almost
up-to-date version of the file. Doesn't this give them as much (and as
little) as regular explicit saves would do?

- Robert

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